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Capillogain® Tonic

Post by Jacob » Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:41 pm

I'm becoming more interested in this product. Nice ingredients list: http://www.functional-products.net/en/p ... ain-tonic/ and they use some tech some of you may notice I'd be interested in 8) : http://www.functional-products.net/en/p ... chreibung/
Active agents in Capillogain® Tonic

Procyanidin B-3
has the potential to counteract the hair growth inhibitory effect of Transforming Growth Factor beta 1 (TGF-β1)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12473061
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10084307
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20568787
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22253995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22629448
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21717518

gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)
inhibits 5-alpha Reductase (5AR) type 1 and 2,
counteracts inflammation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9242500
http://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01986575
http://shikai.com/publications/GLA-A%20 ... yAgent.pdf

Rasperry Ketone
upregulates Insulin-like Growth Factor 1 (IGF-1) expression
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18321745
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21839661

Asiasari Radix Extract
upregulates Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF) expression
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15862941

Triaminodil® (Proderma S.r.l. - Italy)
has nearly the same chemical structure as Minoxidil and a similar spectrum of effects
poster P-186 on page 93: http://www.nahrs.org/home/Portals/0/mee ... ristol.pdf
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21689115
Triaminodil-Monograph (contains several clinical trials)
neueste klinische Studie (the product Aminotril contains the active agent Triaminodil)

Sophora Flavescens Extract
upregulates IGF-1 and Keratinocyte Growth Factor (KGF) expression,
inhibits 5AR type 1 and 2,
inhibits Prostaglandin D2 (PGD2) synthesis,
has antibacterial effects, amongst others against Propionibacterium acnes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12354419
http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... ahashi.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10654410

Red Ginseng Root Extract
inhibits 5AR,
upregulates VEGF expression
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21538628
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12916080
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22505819
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9627805
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12655795

Creatine
supports the energy production of cells,
protects mitochondria from generation of Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS) and thereby reduces the cell suicide (apoptosis)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16098029

L-Arginine
upregulates Nitric Oxide (NO) expression and
thereby increases blood flow to the hair follicles
and decreases TGF-beta expression,
gets metabolized to growth-stimulatory polyamines,
gets incorporated into hair shaft as a build block amino acid
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16239590
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17728935
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19841582

Cyanocobalamin
works synergistically with Minoxidil
http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... 4-park.htm

Biotin
Biotin is an essential micronutrient for normal cellular functions.
Biotin deficiency leads to pathologic dermatologic changes in the skin and its appendages.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22444695
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12603856
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20301497

Hinoki Oil
upregulates VEGF expression,
has antibacterial and antifungal effects
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 6X09001452

Phosphatidylcholine
gets converted to Phosphatidic Acid which in turn
neutralizes the growth-inhibiting effects of TGF-beta1
and protects the cells from apoptosis
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12925199

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by Natasha26 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:55 am

Jacob, this is very interesting. I cant read any reviews on the Capillogain tonic yet.

I may want to try this tonic as well to boost hair regrowth.

Keep us updated on this.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by tinytim » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:34 am

hi jacob sounds interesting although they say in tests on mice they used it with minoxidil which made hairs grow it seems best if used with minox if you follow there instructions.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by John Yossarian » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:33 pm

It seems like an interesting product, but since it has ethosome/liposomes in the product could it cause systemtic absorbtion? I get side effects from every topical product I've ever used and it would be nice to try something that I could use.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:55 pm

Jacob

Thanks for posting this and allowing me to post here.
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Natasha26

Capillogain Tonic is a very new product. It is available for only about 2 months by now. However, we have 2 positive reports already. One male in a German hair loss forum used it for about 1.5 months once daily and reports about fortification of existing hair and the formally little pigmented hair, in addition he reports about sparse new vellus hair growth. He says he is confident and has good hope.
The other report stems from one of our staff members who used Capillogain Tonic for about 2 or 3 months twice daily. He reports about profound new vellus hair growth and he is going to document his progress at a dermatologist. We will upload the photos on our page.
We expect more positive reports in the coming month.
The few users in the US started even later to use Capillogain Tonic, therefore it will take some time before first reports will show up at Amazon.


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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:31 pm

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:50 pm

@John Yossarian

We cannot promise you that you won´t get any sides. However, since the amount of Triaminodil in Capillogain Tonic is rather low but still effective due to the microencapsulating vehicle, we think the chances for sides are very low. So far not a single user complained about sides. However, we have reports from sensible users that they don´t experience the usual systemic Minoxidil sides common with other products. The only complaint is about the herbal smell (from Sophora Flavescens).
If I remember correct, we have a refund option for intolerance issues. But I am not sure how it is currently handled and for US customers it may also be different, so you better ask about this refund option before you order; you can pose your questions here:

http://www.functional-products.net/en/contact/
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by John Yossarian » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:40 pm

SyntheseLabRat,

Thanks for stopping and answering questions. I did have a couple questions in regards to the product:

1) Does Triaminodil inhibit collagen like Minoxidil does? My skin looks really bad when I use Minoxidil and it would be nice to use a product that doesn't have any systematic side effects.

2) Does Rasperry Ketone cause any long-term risks such as thinning skin? I read that thinning skin of the scalp can be a major problem for people suffering from hairloss.

Thanks for any information you can provide.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:33 pm

@John Yossarian

1) I am not aware of any study on Triaminodil which addresses this collagen synthesis issue. However, due to the nearly identical chemical structure of Triaminodil and Minoxidil, I expect Triaminodil to be also a lysyl hydroxylase inhibitor, an enzyme which is key in collagen production. However, I think it is very unlikely that Capillogain Tonic will cause you systemic sides like Collagen depletion in the skin.

2) I am not aware of any reports on Raspberry Ketone causing thinning of the skin. On the contrary, Rasperry Ketone has also been used to increase cheek skin elasticity:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18321745

Quote:
"When applied topically to the scalp and facial skin, 0.01% RK promoted hair growth in 50.0% of humans with alopecia (n=10) at 5 months after application and increased cheek skin elasticity at 2 weeks after application in 5 females (p<0.04). These observations strongly suggest that RK might increase dermal IGF-I production through sensory neuron activation, thereby promoting hair growth and increasing skin elasticity."

I am pretty sure there will be sooner or later skin care products for the face that contain Raspberry Ketone. So in case something of the Raspberry Ketone goes systemic, it would even benefit your facial skin.
The increase in IGF-1 will boost collagen production which is a good thing for facial skin. Increase collagen production may become a problem on the scalp for hair growth if fibrosis sets in. However, the study on Raspberry Ketone clearly showed the positive effect of Raspberry Ketone on hair growth for the used concentration.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by Jacob » Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:59 pm

Thanks for dropping in, Fred 8)

Can you say what % of alcohol is in the product? How long before the shampoo is out?

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:55 am

Hello Jacob.

I am not allowed to tell you the exact concentration of Ethanol but I can tell you it is not above 30%. Besides that small amount of Ethanol, the vehicle consists only of water and phosphatidylcholine for the Ethosomes. However, next batch may have an addition of a small amount of Polysorbate 20. Capillogain Tonic does not contain PG.
The INCI-list is uploaded here:

http://www.amazon.com/Capillogain%C2%AE ... apillogain

We forgot to upload it on our own page but I will fix that today.

It is a 100ml bottle, which is hard to notice on the picture at amazon; we will add that info more pronounced in the headline.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:06 am

@Jacob

The development of the Shampoo is finished. However, we still wait for one important ingredient. Actually we are waiting for it for months now, but if they can´t deliver next week we will do the Shampoo without it. So I guess the Shampoo will be available in about 2 weeks.
The Shampoo uses mild surfactants, a special microencapsulation technique for the active agents, and additional active agents to work in concert with the Tonic. My favorite is SANGUISORBA OFFICINALIS ROOT EXTRACT for FGF-5 inhibition for the Angora cat effect 
The PANAX GINSENG BERRY EXTRACT is cool too, it has much more ginsenosides than the red ginseng root extract.

http://www.cellmid.com.au/SiteMedia/w3s ... Period.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21959181

The abstract of the Ginseng article appears to me as an understatement. If one looks at figure 3 and 4 of the full article you see that the extract worked better on mice than 5% Minoxidil.

It is likely more effective than the red ginseng extract, quote from the article:

“Total ginsenoside content of FPG was reported as 9.09%, which was about 4.8 times higher than that of RPG. Particularly, a major constituent of FPG, ginsenoside Re was 5.99%, which was about 28 times higher than that of RPG (Ko et al., 2008).”

FPG stands for Fructus Panax Ginseng and RPG for Red Panax Ginseng.


INCI-list of the active agents in the proto-type:

SANGUISORBA OFFICINALIS ROOT EXTRACT
PYRROLIDINIL DIAMINOPYRIMIDINE OXIDE (Triaminodil)
CAMELLIA SINENSIS LEAF EXTRACT (EGCG from Green Tea Extract)
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT
PANAX GINSENG BERRY EXTRACT
PANTHENOL
ARGININE
TAURINE
CYANOCOBALAMIN
BIOTIN

Maybe CARNITINE is added if it does not interfere with the vehicle.


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Post by israelite » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:42 am

a memmber in the private forum is actually using this product! i think i'm going to give it a try! the ingredients are quite good

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Post by Jacob » Tue Nov 27, 2012 2:59 pm

At the risk of there being a price increase :silenced: ...how are you able sell it at quite a reasonable price..especially with some of the ingredients and the encapsulation tech? I'm assuming quantity and using Amazon helps a bit.

Do you have the ingredients tested for purity/potency/legitimacy- are they coming from w/in Germany or ?

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Post by Jacob » Tue Nov 27, 2012 3:00 pm

israelite wrote:a memmber in the private forum is actually using this product! i think i'm going to give it a try! the ingredients are quite good
I think I will as well..I can order that one natural shampoo I see is available at Amazon at the same time. So I guess it'll be this one in the evening...Andalou during the day.

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:57 pm

@Jacob

The price at amazon is an introduction price, I guess it will rise somewhat.
Some ingredients are expensive some are not. Phosphatidylcholine for example is not cheap but for our microencapsulating vehicle we don´t need much.
A very expensive ingredient in our list of active agents is Procyanidin B3 from Barley Husk Extract. This Extract is exclusively made for us in Germany by a company specialised on plant extracts. The Barley Husks stem from Germany, too. The concentration of Procyanidin B3 in the Extract is 70% (or 75%, not sure at the moment) which was measured by HPLC by the same company. Maybe we should upload that HPLC result on our page, would be good for advertising. Pure Procyanidin is extremely expensive, it costs more than gold. But since we know how much Procyanidin B3 is in our Barley Husk Extract we can add as much as is needed to reach the desired concentration of Procyanidin B3 in the Tonic. Since concentration of Procyanidin B3 in the extract is so high we don´t need to add much and don´t get solubility problems.
Some agents like Creatine, Biotin, and Arginine are bought as pure substances and they are rather cheap. The other plant extracts don´t stem from Germany, although I am not sure where they stem from since I have not ordered them. We have the data sheets from the manufacturers. However, although we don´t expect contaminations, we will have the whole product tested for contaminations as soon as it is in its final form, that is after we have received the final ingredient which is also the reason for the delay of the Shampoo. However, since it is not clear if we will ever receive this custom made ingredient, we may proceed without it soon. For this ingredient we already did a test with the first sample the manufacturer sent us. It was an NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) measurement in order to verify the identity and the purity of the substance. The result was devastating. Merely 3.4% of the desired substance was in that sample. But we know why that happened and we are confident to get a better sample soon. That NMR measurement did cost us 800 Euro, but measures like this are necessary ... obviously ...
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Post by israelite » Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:02 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@Jacob

The price at amazon is an introduction price, I guess it will rise somewhat.
Some ingredients are expensive some are not. Phosphatidylcholine for example is not cheap but for Ethosomes you don´t need much. Other companies use Liposomes with a high amount of Phosphatidylcholine which is expensive although maybe worth it. But Ethosomes won´t work with too much Phosphatidylcholine. So the encapsulation is not that expensive in our case.
A very expensive ingredient in our list of active agents is Procyanidine B3 from Barley Husk Extract. This Extract is exclusively made for us in Germany by a company specialised on plant extracts. The Barley Husks stem from Germany, too. The concentration of Procyanidine B3 in the Extract is 70% (or 75%, not sure at the moment) which was measured by HPLC by the same company. Maybe we should upload that HPLC result on our page, would be good for advertising. Pure Procyanidine is extremely expensive, it costs more than gold.
Some agents like Creatine, Biotin, and Arginine are bought as pure substances and they are rather cheap. The other plant extracts don´t stem from Germany, although I am not sure where they stem from since I have not ordered them. We have the data sheets from the manufacturers. However, although we don´t expect contaminations, we will have the whole product tested for contaminations as soon as it is in its final form, that is after we have received the final ingredient which is also the reason for the delay of the Shampoo. However, since it is not clear if we will ever receive this custom made ingredient, we may proceed without it soon. For this ingredient we already did a test with the first sample the manufacturer sent us. It was an NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) measurement in order to verify the identity and the purity of the substance. The result was devastating. Merely 3.4% of the desired substance was in that sample. But we know why that happened and we are confident to get a better sample soon. That NMR measurement did cost us 800 Euro, but measures like this are necessary ... obviously ...
very good! i'm sold! some in the private forum likes the product! i wish i could the shampoo as well but i'm already using 3

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:45 pm

@israelite

I noticed you are going to use adenosine, correct?

I don´t have the time to elaborate much on it, so just a few words.

Google for adenosine and fibrosis ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19949965

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19639289

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19858092



Which experiments on Adenosine are published?

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v127/ ... 0728a.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11886528

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17301835

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239555

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... tanabe.htm

Experiments in vitro with DP cells don´t tell you anything about fibrosis, there are no fibroblasts present that will be turned into myofibroblasts during fibrosis.
There is a study in women which lead to a little bit thicker hair shafts. Pretty weak if one recalls that there is a publication which states that Minoxidil works by Adenosine, but that is another issue; not every publication is 100% right.
But women likely don´t have that much of a problem with fibrosis like hardcore androgenetic alopecia male may develop it.
ALSO, fibrosis does not develop over night, it takes some time. Therefore long term studies are needed in case of Adenosine I suggest. We don´t have them. The study in men took 6 months. That is not short, but is it long enough?
There is a study also in men. But it is mentioned only on a poster on a hair conference if I recall that right. I searched for the publication of this data in a journal but I couldn´t find it. So why haven´t they published their data in men in a journal ?? Why did they publish only their data from the study in women? Well, maybe I was just not able to find that publication, but if there is none there is something fishy.
I do thoroughly screening of substances before I incorporate them and Adenosine has not qualified yet.
The point is:
Why risk fibrosis in the long term? It is not sure that fibrosis will develop but why risk it? For a little bit thicker hair shaft diameter? You can also swallow choline stabilized Silicilic acid for that purpose.
However, Adenosine still may be worth using it, I just wanted to point out the expected benefits, the danger, and the current data. I guess my text is missing some points and links and it is also not well written but it is late at night now in Germany and I am tired :D
If you still want to mix it yourself, don´t overdo it, stick to their concentration and vehicle. There is likely a reason why they use only 0.75% and not more. They may have done more experiments than they published.
One last point: Every person and every skin is different. The authors mention "asian women" in the headline of their publication. Fibrosis depends on many factors in the skin and some people are more prone to it than others. I don´t know if asians are more or less prone to it but I know there are difference between individuals.

The problem with Adenosine is:
It plays a certain role during wound repair. Its anti-inflammatory action "says": "Stop inflammation now, it is time to heal the wound." But what is needed in order to heal a wound? You need new vascularisation, so adenosine increases VEGF, which is good for hair growth. Unfortunately adenosine also increases profibrotic mediators that included TGF-β1, IL-1β, IL-13, plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 (PAI-1), and osteopontin. Since TGF-beta has anti-inflammatory properties the anti-inflammatory action of adenosine is likely at least in part mediated by TGF-beta. Adenosine increases collagen production in order to close the wound. Since it is vital for a living creature to close a wound quickly, fibrotic scars are less of an issue for the body, but closing the wound fast is important.
Because of this double action of Adenosine, it is difficult to use for hair growth. If there is a beneficial concentration at all that works also long term, then you better stick to that concentration and don´t mess with higher concentrations. Two opposing mechanisms usually lead to an optimal dosage, a dome-like shaped effect with a maximum but for high concentrations the effect can also become negative. Some substances have even a biphasic behavior, they have only a beneficial concentration window, means for lower concentration the effect is also not only low but negative. If I recall that right Caffeine shows such an biphasic effect on hair growth, which is not surprising since it is an adenosine receptor antagonist. Why is Caffeine working at all? Sorry, I don´t have the time to elaborate on that. I just want to say, Adenosine and Caffeine are difficult to use, the right concentration is hard to hit and since every person is different, every skin status different I find it risky. Also keep in mind that people use different amounts and use it with a different frequency. So you have to make sure that you don´t use it more often than in the study and don´t use more milliliters per the same area as they did in the study. The study for men that is ... But do you have that study? That EHRS poster is not very informative when it comes to the above mentioned points, is it?

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... tanabe.htm

Many question marks. If you use a substance with easy to handle window of action (broad and not biphasic) you cannot do much wrong but I don´t know if that is the case for Adenosine. It would not be my first choice for self-mixing. Recall the benefits:
"Treatment with either lotion resulted in a significantly decreased ratio of vellus- like hair and also significantly increased the ratio of thick hair, but did not change hair density."
No change in hair density.
Now make your choice.
Enough said, I wish you luck with whatever you do.
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Post by israelite » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:05 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I noticed you are going to use adenosine, correct?

I don´t have the time to elaborate much on it, so just a few words.

Google for adenosine and fibrosis ...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19949965

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19639289

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19858092



Which experiments on Adenosine are published?

http://www.nature.com/jid/journal/v127/ ... 0728a.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11886528

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17301835

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19239555

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... tanabe.htm

Experiments in vitro with DP cells don´t tell you anything about fibrosis, there are no fibroblasts present that will be turned into myofibroblasts during fibrosis.
There is a study in women which lead to a little bit thicker hair shafts. Pretty weak if one recalls that there is a publication which states that Minoxidil works by Adenosine, but that is another issue; not every publication is 100% right.
But women likely don´t have that much of a problem with fibrosis like hardcore androgenetic alopecia males may develop it.
ALSO, fibrosis does not develop over night, it takes some time. So long term studies are needed in case of Adenosine I suggest. We don´t have them. The study in men took 6 months. That is not short, but is it long enough?
There is a study also in men. But it is mentioned only on a poster on a hair conference if I recall that right. I searched for the publication of this data in a journal but I couldn´t find it. So why haven´t they published their data in men in a journa ?? Why did they publish only their data from the study in women? Well, maybe I was just not able to find that publication, but if there is none there is something fishy.
I do thoroughly screening of substances before I incorporate them and Adenosine has not qualified yet.
The point is:
Why risk fibrosis in the long term? It is not sure that fibrosis will develop but why risk it? For a little bit thicker hair shaft diameter? You can also swallow choline stabilized Silicilic acid for that purpose.
However, Adenosine still may be worth using it, I just wanted to point out the expected benefits and the danger and the current data. I guess my text is missing some points and links and it is also not well written but it is late at night now in Germany and I am tired :D
If you still want to mix it yourself, don´t overdo it, stick to their concentration and vehicle. There is likely a reason why they use only 0.75% and not more. They may have done more experiments than they published.
One last point: Every person and every skin is different. The authors mention "asian women" in the headline of their publication. Fibrosis depends on many factors in the skin and some people are more prone to it than others. I don´t know if asians are more or less prone to it but I know there are difference between individuals.

The problem with Adenosine is:
It plays a certain role during wound repair. Its anti-inflammatory action "says": "Stop inflammation now, it is time to heal the wound." But what is needed in order to heal a wound? You need new vascularisation, so adenosine increases VEGF, which is good for hair growth. Unfortunately adenosine also increases profibrotic mediators that included TGF-β1, IL-1β, IL-13, plasminogen activator inhibitor-1 (PAI-1), and osteopontin. Since TGF-beta has anti-inflammatory properties the anti-inflammatory action of adenosine is likely at least in part mediated by TGF-beta. Adenosine increases collagen production in order to close the wound. Since it is vital for a living creature to close a wound quickly, fibrotic scars are less of an issue for the body, but closing the wound fast is important.
Because of this double action of adenosine, it is difficult to use for hair growth. If there is a beneficial concentration at all that works also long term, then you better stick to that concentration and don´t mess with higher concentrations. Two opposing mechanisms usually lead to an optimal dosage, a dome like shaped effect with a maximum but for high concentrations the effect can also become negative. Some substances have even a biphasic behavior, they have only a beneficial concentration window, means for lower concentration the effect is also not only low but negative. If I recall that right caffeine shows such an biphasic effect on hair growth, which is not surprising since it is an adenosine receptor antagonist. Why is caffeine working at all? Sorry, I don´t have to elaborate on that. I just want to say, adenosine and caffeine are difficult to use, the right concentration is hard to hit and since every person is different, every skin status different I find it risky. Also keep in mind that people use different amounts and use it with a different frequency. So you have to make sure that you don´t use it more often than in the study and don´t use more milliliters per the same area as they did in the study. The study for men that is ... But do you have that study? That EHRS poster is not vers informative when it comes to the above mentioned points, is it?

http://www.ehrs.org/conferenceabstracts ... tanabe.htm

Many question marks. If you use a substance with easy to handle window of action (broad and not biphasic) you cannot do much wrong but I don´t know if that is the case for Adenosine. It would not be my first choice for self-mixing. Recall the benefits:
"Treatment with either lotion resulted in a significantly decreased ratio of vellus- like hair and also significantly increased the ratio of thick hair, but did not change hair density."
No change in hair density.
Now make your choice.
Enough said, I wish you luck with whatever you do.
very very very good post! i'm going to make a thread for my regimen! its quite good!

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Post by israelite » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:16 pm

ok, i just bought it should arrive dec 3!

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:51 pm

We uploaded a light-microscope photo of the microencapsulating vehicle of Capillogain Shampoo.

http://www.functional-products.net/index.php?id=110

The spherical vesicles in Capillogain Shampoo are larger than the Ethosomes in Capillogain Tonic.
However, they are still very small.
The Ethosomes of the Tonic can be seen here:

http://www.functional-products.net/index.php?id=105

The surface of the Ethosomes gets negatively charged by the Ethanol, which leads to higher bending of the surface
which in turn leads to a smaller diameter of the Ethosomes.
But smaller is not always better. The optimal size for delivery of substances to the hair follicle is likely higher than the size of Ethosomes.
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Post by israelite » Wed Nov 28, 2012 3:49 pm

could u add english to your website when ordering. this thread contains alot of informative information! btw all forums now know about capillogain! if i believe in a product i tell people!

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:00 pm

@israelite

I will try to add more and more information to our English page, too.
I am happy you appreciate my effort.
Thank you for posting about Capillogain Tonic. I get banned on nearly every English speaking forum, only here and on hairsite I am allowed to post.

I have another useful information for you.
Wash your hair with tepid water. Don´t wash your hair with warm or hot water. Heat activates TGF-beta. TGF-beta negatively regulates hair growth.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20599762

Quote:
„Transforming growth factor-beta 1 (TGF-beta1) is secreted as a latent complex, which consists of latency-associated peptide (LAP) and the mature ligand. The release of the mature ligand from LAP usually occurs through conformational change of the latent complex and is therefore considered to be the first step in the activation of the TGF-beta signaling pathway. So far, factors such as heat, pH changes, and proteolytic cleavage are reportedly involved in this activation process, but the precise molecular mechanism is still far from clear."

And self-mixers should check the pH-value of their mix.
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Post by israelite » Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:33 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I will try to add more and more information to our English page, too.
I am happy you appreciate my effort.
Thank you for posting about Capillogain Tonic. I get banned on nearly every English speaking forum, only here and on hairsite I am allowed to post.

I have another useful information for you.
Wash your hair with tepid water. Don´t wash your hair with warm or hot water. Heat activates TGF-beta. TGF-beta negatively regulates hair growth.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20599762

Quote:
„Transforming growth factor-beta 1 (TGF-beta1) is secreted as a latent complex, which consists of latency-associated peptide (LAP) and the mature ligand. The release of the mature ligand from LAP usually occurs through conformational change of the latent complex and is therefore considered to be the first step in the activation of the TGF-beta signaling pathway. So far, factors such as heat, pH changes, and proteolytic cleavage are reportedly involved in this activation process, but the precise molecular mechanism is still far from clear."

And self-mixers should check the pH-value of their mix.
its drawing alot of attention! i'm hoping it grows lots of hairs for every1! look at this review from hlh!
Been using this for about a month. Got my bottle free as I posted in another thread with Sparky. So far I seem to like it. The only down side is the herbal smell but I got used to it. I am getting alot of new baby hairs at my hairline but I don't know for sure if this is from the tonic. I started using Neogenic a few weeks before too. However, shedding has slowed down a lot and my hair seems thicker now. I like using the Capillogain better than minoxidil which I quit using over a year ago. I do know for sure either Neogenic or Capillogain does help either by themselves or together. If you got the money and are a diffuse thinner like I am with a low NW, its worth a try. I honestly think low NWs with diffuse thinning benefit the most with growth stimulants as it can thicken existing thin hairs and make them cosmetically thicker and stronger. I see very few hairs now on my pillow at night and when I shampoo my hair. Looking back now all those years I used minoxidil, I realized it caused alot of my shedding in a pattern like a roller coaster. After a year off of it, I no longer have that major roller coaster of shedding I used to have with minoxidil. No more bloating face either. I know if I do consume foods with higher salt that gives me some bloat but minoxidil seems to increase it even more.

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:10 am

@israelite

Thank you for the feedback, it is very much appreciated.
As I said in one of my previous posts in this thread,
quote:
"We expect more positive reports in the coming month.
The few users in the US started even later to use Capillogain Tonic, therefore it will take some time before first reports will show up at Amazon."

We have 4 positive reports now, 3 from Germany and the one from @hungrylikethewolf (from the US?). All reports are similar, they report on thickening of existing thin hairs and new small hairs after about 1 or 1.5 months. Seems a little bit fast to me, but if they say so ...
4 reports may not seem much but Capillogain Tonic is available only since about 3 months. US customers started later and @hungrylikethewolf was one of the first users outside Germany so I am not surprised he is the first to report.
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Post by cloud9 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:28 pm

SyntheseLabRat . Do you no how long a bottle of Capillogain will last and is the price on amazon going up in the near future ?

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 4:43 pm

@cloud9

Capillogain Tonic contains 100ml.
This information is hard to find in our text at amazon, we should put it in the headline.

It depends on how much you need per application to cover your personal application area.
I guess, for those who treat only the front it will last about 2 months.
For those who treat also the crown and vertex it will last 1 month but likely somewhat longer.

As far as I know the price will increase in the future but I don´t know when that will be. I am confused by our own page to be honest.
Maybe 30.11.2012 is a deadline which is mentioned in our shop

https://www.functional-products.net/sho ... flege.html

but I am not sure if that is relevant to Capillogain Tonic or applies only to our other products.

Sorry, I am only the LabRat :-"
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Post by israelite » Thu Nov 29, 2012 5:14 pm

Can I add ahk copper peptides to it? I'm looking forward to adding it my regimen!

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:04 pm

israelite wrote:could u add english to your website when ordering. this thread contains alot of informative information! btw all forums now know about capillogain! if i believe in a product i tell people!
I understand now what you meant. You meant our shop page. Unfortunately I have no access to the source of that page, I can´t edit it. But someone else from our team will hopefully care about it as soon as he has time.
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Post by israelite » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:13 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:
israelite wrote:could u add english to your website when ordering. this thread contains alot of informative information! btw all forums now know about capillogain! if i believe in a product i tell people!
I understand now what you meant. You meant our shop page. Unfortunately I have no access to the source of that page, I can´t edit it. But someone else from our team will hopefully care about it as soon as he has time.
Google translate can convert it to English.

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:31 pm

israelite wrote:Can I add ahk copper peptides to it? I'm looking forward to adding it my regimen!
better don´t add it
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Post by israelite » Thu Nov 29, 2012 6:32 pm

it would be a good though if u could make some changes on the website. its very hard to navigate!

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:44 pm

israelite wrote:it would be a good though if u could make some changes on the website. its very hard to navigate!
I know my colleagues are working on a completely new page for quite a while now but I don´t know when it will be ready.

Sorry for the inconvenience for the moment.
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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:39 pm

As promised, we uploaded the HPLC analysis of our Barley Husk Extract which was concentrated to a 70% Procyanidin-B3 content.

We had to buy some pure Procyanidin-B3 as a reference substance.
Here you can see the HPLC analysis of the Procyanidin-B3 Reference Standard:

http://www.functional-products.net/index.php?id=112

And here you can see the HPLC analysis of our concentrated Barley Husk Extract with 70,0% Procyanidin-B3 content:

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:28 am

I received information on the pricing of Capillogain Tnic.

The price will stay at 21$ at least until the end of December.
After that period the price will increase but not double.

We already changed the price on amazon:

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Post by israelite » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:18 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:I received information on the pricing of Capillogain Tnic.

The price will stay at 21$ at least until the end of December.
After that period the price will increase but not double.

We already changed the price on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Capillogain%C2%AE ... apillogain
awesome! hopefully capillogain can makes these peach hairs go terminal! i will be buying another bottle very soon. btw what ingredinets does the shampoo have? does it contain sls?

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Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:38 am

@israelite

What do you mean by "sls"?


It´s Christmas time ;)
You may be interested especially in the
SANGUISORBA OFFICINALIS ROOT EXTRACT
in our Shampoo. It´s an inhibitor of FGF-5. This approach is underestimated so far I think.
You can read about FGF-5 here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGF5
But that Wiki-article is somewhat behind; as far as I know the difference between wooly Mammoth and naked modern Elephants is likely not related to FGF-5 although it still can´t be excluded.
The German version of this Wiki-article is more up to date and in addition has a funny photo of an Angora cat :D
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGF-5

You can read about the negative effect of FGF-5 on hair growth here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11779149

Quote from the abstract:
"Dermal papillae thus appear to require activation before they will efficiently stimulate hair growth, and FGF-5 appears to inhibit hair growth and induce catagen by blocking that activation."

It is our goal to re-activate the Dermal papillae by inhbition of FGF-5.

The Angora-cat-effect:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17433015
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17767004

Quote from the abstract:
" In combination, these genomic approaches demonstrated that FGF5 is the major genetic determinant of hair length in the domestic cat."

Additional information can be found here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10692103
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14502567
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16879338
and many more ...

"Sanguisorba Officinalis Root Extract has FGF-5 inhibitory activity and reduces haiross by causing prolongation of the anagen period"
http://www.cellmid.com.au/SiteMedia/w3s ... Period.pdf


The PANAX GINSENG BERRY EXTRACT is cool too, it has much more ginsenosides than the red ginseng root extract.

http://www.cellmid.com.au/SiteMedia/w3s ... Period.pdf

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21959181

The abstract of the Ginseng article appears to me as an understatement. If one looks at figure 3 and 4 of the full article you see that the extract worked better on mice than 5% Minoxidil.

It is likely more effective than the red ginseng extract, quote from the article:

“Total ginsenoside content of FPG was reported as 9.09%, which was about 4.8 times higher than that of RPG. Particularly, a major constituent of FPG, ginsenoside Re was 5.99%, which was about 28 times higher than that of RPG (Ko et al., 2008).”

FPG stands for Fructus Panax Ginseng and RPG for Red Panax Ginseng.

full INCI-list of Capillogain Shampoo:

AQUA
DISODIUM LAURETH SULFOSUCCINATE
COCAMIDOPROPYL BETAINE
PEG-200 HYDROGENATED GLYCERYL PALMATE
PEG-7 GLYCERYL COCOATE
ALCOHOL DENAT.
POLYSORBATE 20
SANGUISORBA OFFICINALIS ROOT EXTRACT
PYRROLIDINIL DIAMINOPYRIMIDINE OXIDE (Triaminodil)
CAMELLIA SINENSIS LEAF EXTRACT (EGCG from Green Tea Extract)
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT
PANAX GINSENG BERRY EXTRACT
PHENOXYETHANOL
PANTHENOL
ARGININE
TAURINE
CYANOCOBALAMIN
BIOTIN

Maybe CARNITINE is added if it does not interfere with the vehicle.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by israelite » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:23 pm

when can people outside the usa start to purchase capillogain from amazon.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:30 pm

@israelite

I don´t know. I hope soon.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:34 pm

@israelite

What did you mean by "sls"?
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by israelite » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:46 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

What did you mean by "sls"?
Sodium lauryl sulfate

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by israelite » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:47 pm

SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I don´t know. I hope soon.
I hope its sooner then later. 7 people in the private forum want to order

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:50 pm

@israelite

We don´t use Sodium Laureth Sulfate or Sodium Lauryl Sulfate.
We use only mild surfactants which irritate the skin less.
Capillogain Shampoo allows the user to leave the shampoo on the scalp for a longer period before rinsing,
which in turn increases the absorption of the active agents.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:52 pm

israelite wrote:
SyntheseLabRat wrote:@israelite

I don´t know. I hope soon.
I hope its sooner then later. 7 people in the private forum want to order
Thank you for the feedback.
I will use this information in order to motivate my colleague ;)
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by Jacob » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:13 pm

Any way you can make the shampoo w/out the alcohol?? What is the secret ingredient you're waiting for :lol: and is it something you'd put in the topical as well?

Lots of new info since I was here last..interesting :-k

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by SyntheseLabRat » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:12 pm

Hi Jacob,

there is only very little Ethanol in the Shampoo.
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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by israelite » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:05 pm

i been thinking! i'm gonna buy some more capillogain! apply it twice a day! one will be capillogain with nothing else added the other will contain ascj9, aden, ahk, minox sulf, vaproic acid and some other goodies! what are your thoughts? for now i dropped minox 5% because its very very greasy on my hairline and it drips! caplillogain drys very fast so that a major plus for me.

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Re: Capillogain® Tonic

Post by Natasha26 » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:33 am

Israelite, Can you tell us about your hair progress?

Are you experiencing new hair regrowth? I am experiencing huge hair loss currently.

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