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DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by Jacob » Tue Mar 16, 2010 12:54 am

http://dermahealproducts.com/index.php/ ... um-hl.html

Discount code is HL-2010 (15% off)


Some of you may remember this being discussed before. Made by Caregen..
same Dermaheal source:
DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss (HL) - Moisturizes, nourishes
and improves the hair and scalp condition; Promotes blood circulation in
the scalp and revitalizes hair follicles; Induces hair growth by increasing
the size of the hair follicle and stops hair loss. Contains: IGF-1, bFGF,
VEGF, Copper Tripeptide, Biotin, Human Adipocyte Conditioned Media
Extract, Amino acid. Mineral and vitamins.
This is another that is supposed to be nanosomal..I think.
I checked the manufacturer's recommendation and it says that after opening the vial, you can store it in the frig for a week. So technically you can use two treatments out of it. The recommendation is to start with one to two treatments/week for the first month. Then you do one treatment every other week. and for maintenance you do one treatment per month.
It's not going to be cheap..am waiting to see what exactly it'll be.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by intricate1 » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:15 am

Thanks for keeping us informed Jacob , I will for sure get it when it comes out how soon you think?

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Post by Fizzball » Tue Mar 16, 2010 2:40 am

hmm sounds interesting, I was actually thinking of getting onto Dermaheal's range or the lamas products.

I'll wait until this is released to balance out the pros and cons, thanks for the info Jacob.
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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by mitcky » Tue Mar 16, 2010 1:37 pm

http://www.myfatdissolve.com/caregen.html

Scroll down a bit and you find this:


Dermaheal Stem C’rum HL (Anti-hair Loss) Lyophilized Power 5vials
Sterilized Solution 5ml x 5vials 315.00

Jacob-you were right......seems expensive

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by Jacob » Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:32 pm

And I'm not sure we can get it for even that price. That price may be for docs/clinics that can order from a site like that. At least it's not a daily topical. I should know more tonight or tomorrow.

There was quite a bit of buzz over this at Regrowth.. when it was first made known. Nidhogge was going to get it/sell it..but was never able to. I think this was one of those where the DermaRoller would come in handy.


It sounds like it should be available w/in a week or two...if they decide to carry it.

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Post by Fizzball » Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:22 pm

For that sort of price people are going to expect a whole lot and certainly expect to see some sort of sustainable regrowth.
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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by Jacob » Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:14 pm

Oh please don't..and this is to everyone..don't buy something and expect it to work because of the cost. I would have gotten a LLLT helmet a long time ago if that were the case :-s


People can always wait it out to see how others do with such a product. This one will very tempting for me to try...but what I'm looking for is growth in those areas that haven't done much, if anything..in a long time. Past that impossible-to-overcome 30 month window. Doable, since I've seen some of it myself..but not easy.

Guess I won't have any new info until tomorrow..

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Post by Fizzball » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:04 am

Yes I agree surely the product will have to be judged on its merits alone however I'm not sure people are going to be throwing out huge wads of cash per month for something that may not work any better than something cheaper, that is the point I am trying to make.
The difference between LLLT and this is astronomical in price as with LLLT helmets you pay a once-of lump sum for a product which is meant to be used over at least 12 months to a lifetime however with this product the expectation is to pay $300+ a pop weekly/monthly... surely our expectations should be high for this ambrosia serum.

Another valid point to make is that if this product is going to be marketed at such a high price there should be ample information and evidence to support their product not just some sort of theory crafting behind it all.
I'm sure there are quite a few people reading this now and thinking that it is a lot of money these are possibly the same people that once thought about buying another expensive device/product in the past.

I have actually heard good things about the Dermaheal product range (nothing conclusive or definitive but good indications) so I can't wait to see what this can do and I can't wait for more information.

Keep up the great research Jacob :)
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Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:46 pm

The price I've gotten from them is $475. I'm still waiting for other info, including if the discount will apply to this. It sounds like it should be on the site by the end of the week.

Yeah..I understand what you're saying Fizzball. I guess my point is one can't expect results just because something is so expensive. I've personally never gotten a helmet because of a combination of the cost and having to sit under the blasted thing all the time(I realize it isn't every day). I decided to wait it out, and I have to say..I'm still not seeing the kind of results that the thing was hyped up to produce. Which is also part of the problem with certain things- the hype. If they hype up this C'rum like A&G did with theirs..then I can see being upset.

Again, people can wait it out..see how others do. Give your other products some time first..etc. I'm tempted to try this for awhile- slowly get off my current topicals first...take a break from the twice daily topical applications. Depending upon if I could use each vial or however it's supplied for two applications(the first month at least)...once I'd get done with the initial month the cost would probably be similar to what I'm spending now, since "Then you do one treatment every other week. and for maintenance you do one treatment per month."

I would probably then go back to my other topicals...maybe even just once a day applications.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 1:55 pm

Here's the page with pics that was posted at Regrowth back when this was being discussed. I'm not big on pictures..so for whatever it's worth:

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Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:00 pm

Looks like another before/after..one testimonial at the bottom(use an online translator..mine is built in either via Firefox or Google):

http://www.dermaheal.com.tr/profesyonel ... -hair-loss

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It'd be nice if the angle were the same.

I don't know if that's what the product/containers will look like..

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by SW2 » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:58 pm

when is this supposed to go on public sale?

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Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:20 pm

I'm told by the end of the week.

The 15% off code will work for this as well.

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Post by ChuckP » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:21 pm

So its better to use a dermaroller when using this?

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Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:29 pm

I would think so..I think they even say so somewhere.

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Post by cloud9 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:39 am

So what I am understanding is two treatments the first month then just one treatment per month costing about $200 a month with the discount .
I payed $200 for A&G that did nothing but this site dose have much better before and after pictures .

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Post by 0416Dr » Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:58 am

this site is Turkish, if someone needs translation...just sh00t as I can read and write Turkish ;)

Although the angles of the pictures are different, they are quite impressive. Hope to see more soon.
I went to buy a camouflage jacket the other day but I couldn't find any.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss may be available soon

Post by SW2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:22 am

well 2weeksmiracle just listed..

http://dermahealproducts.com/index.php/ ... um-hl.html

Jacob, the discount code doesn't work...

how many vials come with the package?

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Post by Bombarie » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:36 am

somebody believes this? I think the photo`s are bad!!!

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Post by SW2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 10:45 am

one thing that is off is this:

http://www.dermaheal.com.tr/profesyonel ... -hair-loss

claims that the growth factor concentration is 10ppm/vial

where as:

http://www.mesoderma.com/mesoderma/derm ... %27rum.php

and

http://www.hecavn.com/?mod=product&id=30&lang=en

claim 60ppm/vial...

Jacob, if you're in contact with Dermaheal USA, can you inquire about this?

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Post by cloud9 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:26 am

At $475 a pop I would think this stuff would last longer than a month .
How many treatments do you get for that price .

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Post by Swimmy » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:28 am

At that price I'm better off saving it up and waiting for histogen

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:43 pm

0416Dr wrote:this site is Turkish, if someone needs translation...just sh00t as I can read and write Turkish ;)

Although the angles of the pictures are different, they are quite impressive. Hope to see more soon.
Are you from the area??

Not really a translation question..but are there any more testimonials on that site- I did see one. If you come across any Turkish forums discussing this..please share! 8)

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:47 pm

SW2 wrote:well 2weeksmiracle just listed..

http://dermahealproducts.com/index.php/ ... um-hl.html

Jacob, the discount code doesn't work...

how many vials come with the package?
Did you use the latest one? I'll ask about it though.

I'm almost positive it's 5 vials per package.

For those asking how long they'll last..here's the quote again:
I checked the manufacturer's recommendation and it says that after opening the vial, you can store it in the frig for a week. So technically you can use two treatments out of it. The recommendation is to start with one to two treatments/week for the first month. Then you do one treatment every other week. and for maintenance you do one treatment per month.
So you could do the first month with just 2 vials, if you wanted to..and if you can get 2 treatments out of each vial. Some may want to apply it twice a week though...or how about every 5 days..?

SW2 ..I'll see if they can put the # of vials etc on that page.

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Post by mitcky » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:48 pm

SW2 wrote:one thing that is off is this:

http://www.dermaheal.com.tr/profesyonel ... -hair-loss

claims that the growth factor concentration is 10ppm/vial

where as:

http://www.mesoderma.com/mesoderma/derm ... %27rum.php

and

http://www.hecavn.com/?mod=product&id=30&lang=en

claim 60ppm/vial...

Jacob, if you're in contact with Dermaheal USA, can you inquire about this?

I could be wrong, but I think the your references are for the skin. The directions say to pour it on your face.

Someone please check me??

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:55 pm

Yeah that's probably it. The one page did list both products..but the skin one was first/the top half of the page.

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Post by intricate1 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 3:26 pm

If it's mono do we have to use a dermaroller? More effective?

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Post by SW2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:07 pm

I just ordered 2 packages, $825 shipped. HL-2010 worked perfectly

this has to be dermarolled? which length of roller? it says 5ml/vial x 5vials. Should i refrige all vials immediately or just upon opening? i'm planning 2x/week initially w/ 2.5 ml's per app. After this i'll go to 1 vial/app/week for 5 weeks. hopefuuly 10 weeks is enough... ideally 12-16 weeks ... but another $412 ...

anything else i should know before i begin applying and trialing? As i did for the A&G+ i'll be reporting my results here. it's been 3.5 months for A&G+ and no regrowth or reduction in hair loss. I think by the time i get this, it should be nearly 4 months.

I will also be introducing lamas shortly as well, so 1-2/week of Dermaheal C'rum; supplemented by 5-6 app's/week of lama's.

thoughts? Jacob?

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Post by NegativeNorwood » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:35 pm

Good luck SW2, I will be following your progress closely. Are you going to add the Lamas serum? If so I think that's a good move, I used the serum for 3 months and it did wonders for my scalp. I guess if your spending this much you don't want to take any chances so if it was me I'd just refridge immediately, just don't mistake it for juice or milk in the middle of the night and start drinking it.

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Post by mitcky » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:39 pm

SW2 wrote:I just ordered 2 packages, $825 shipped. HL-2010 worked perfectly

this has to be dermarolled? which length of roller? it says 5ml/vial x 5vials. Should i refrige all vials immediately or just upon opening? i'm planning 2x/week initially w/ 2.5 ml's per app. After this i'll go to 1 vial/app/week for 5 weeks. hopefuuly 10 weeks is enough... ideally 12-16 weeks ... but another $412 ...

anything else i should know before i begin applying and trialing? As i did for the A&G+ i'll be reporting my results here. it's been 3.5 months for A&G+ and no regrowth or reduction in hair loss. I think by the time i get this, it should be nearly 4 months.

I will also be introducing lamas shortly as well, so 1-2/week of Dermaheal C'rum; supplemented by 5-6 app's/week of lama's.

thoughts? Jacob?

Can you link me to the site to purchase this?? Yes, I am taking the plunge!!

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Post by mitcky » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:51 pm

Nevermind--found it.

I'm in.....I will post my progress or lack there of.

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:22 pm

SW2...I don't believe you ordered it..as I never gave you the address to have it shipped to :twisted:

I'll see if I can get more info..again. On length of dermrollers..see that thread. They do mention ones recommended for scalp/hair use.

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Post by SW2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:27 pm

lol sounds good Jacob. Much thanks. I'll take a pic when i get the vials in hand!

any info in the mean time would be awesome. I emailed dermaheal earlier about add'l info, but haven't heard back. Do you have a contact there?

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:40 pm

I have a contact..but I'm sure others get responses from the same person.

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:29 pm

I'm reliving the confusing days at Regrowth when this was being discussed. This one says you mix two different containers together:
Dermaheal Stem C’rum HL(Anti-hair Loss)
Lyophilized Powder 5vials + Stem C’rum HL Solution 5ml, 5vials / set
Length and thickness of hair have been increased in the hair root organ, when applied with Stem C’rum HL.
Direction for Use: Use general mesotherapy and mesoroller (microneedle) method.
Step 1. Remove both caps from the vials
Step 2. Inject (or pour) the solution to powder vial
Step 3. Gently mix well
Main Ingredients: Insulin like Growth Factor-1 (IGF-1), basic Fibroblast Growth
Factor (bFGF), Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor (VEGF)
(10 ppm each / vial), Copper Tripeptide-1, Biotin,
Human Adipocyte Conditioned Media Extract,
Amino Acids, Minerals and Vitamins
http://www.in-cosmeticsasia.com/Exhibit ... ue-C_1.pdf Page 33

I see that's what mitcky's post said two..the powder and the liquid. Maybe I was more confused over at Regrowth :-s

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Post by intricate1 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:34 am

Where do we buy this?

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Post by Jacob » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:38 am

I've put the link at the top of the thread.

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Post by intricate1 » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:56 am

Sounds like it should be good. I'm thinking this product is what a&g would love to have made... Lol. If this has the real deal growth factors in it then it should make alot of us happy. Unfortunately it's too expensive for me right now but I will save for it. Jacob you are a good man thanks I hope we get some good responses from people here

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Post by Jacob » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:41 pm

Hey thanks 8)

And yeah..there's no harm in waiting to see how others do first. Hopefully ppl will post their experiences with the stuff..there's got to be ppl out there who will be trying it but don't usually post :-s

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Post by mitcky » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:55 pm

Jacob wrote:Hey thanks 8)

And yeah..there's no harm in waiting to see how others do first. Hopefully ppl will post their experiences with the stuff..there's got to be ppl out there who will be trying it but don't usually post :-s

I'll try to take some pics and update accordingly

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Post by Jacob » Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:30 pm

mitcky wrote:

I'll try to take some pics and update accordingly
Cool.

BTW..I wonder..if it does come as a powder and you have to mix it before using..wouldn't you be able to just do half a container each time? If that's enough for full coverage..then one could spread it out even more(after the first month..when you're applying it every other week or whatever). Otherwise it sounds like once you mix it up it has to be refrigerated..and then it's only good for a week. I suppose it's important to use a sterile container when doing that though...

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Post by mitcky » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:02 pm

I just got an email from Dermaheal saying they are out of the C'rum and are expecting another shipment on March 24. Stay tuned!

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Post by p__ » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:55 am

A year or two ago I tried Dermaheal HL (Hair Loss) along with their special gold tipped ( :roll: ) dermaroller mesotherapy. I didn't get any noticable improvement from it. Maybe you have to do it longer, maybe I'm a poor responder, maybe there was an improvement but I just didn't realize it, or maybe it simply doesn't work.

Dermaheal Stem C'rum is a different product though.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by Jacob » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:28 pm

I'll be ordering this tomorrow :shock: I'm still leaning towards using just this for awhile..

p____..for how long a period did you use that particular product?

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by SW2 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:37 am

i just ordered at 0.50mm

worst case i'll order spare cartridges w/ deeper needles later 2 for $75.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by p__ » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:43 pm

Jacob wrote:p____..for how long a period did you use that particular product?
I bought one kit which contained about 10 vials IIRC. I can't recall exactly how often I applied it, but I think it was about once or twice weekly. I followed the instructions I got. They said to use the full vial every time because opened bottles couldn't be stored for long. Again, that was Dermaheal HL so I guess Stem C'rum could be different.

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by ChuckP » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:13 pm

Does it matter how long the needles are?

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by Jacob » Mon Mar 22, 2010 11:32 pm

ChuckP..this site http://www.microneedle.com/main/mts-personal.html that sells their 'rollers with their topical has 0.2 mm & 0.3 mm versions. So they think that's deep enough..although I know some don't sell longer/deeper ones due to regulations or whatever.

Although...their hair product comes with the .2mm one: http://www.microneedle.com/main/hair_re ... mplex.html

Why not the .3mm? Hmmmmm

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by Jacob » Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:42 pm

I'm just wondering if they're saying deeper isn't better when it comes to the scalp.

BTW..anyone going to be using LLLT with this?

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Re: DermaHeal Stem C’rum Anti-Hair Loss

Post by SW2 » Mon Mar 29, 2010 2:40 am

hey guys, just so i'm clear... since i'll hopefully be starting my dermaheal Stem C'rum trial next weekend (as long as i get my vibrating roller and C'rum!)

it says on the website: http://dermahealproducts.com/index.php/ ... um-hl.html

Directions: Apply one vial over the hair and scalp and massage it thoroughly. Let it be on the scalp for at least 4 hours. Then wash it with Dermaheal Shampoo. Use this product once a week for the first month and then every other week for the second month. For maintenance, use it once a month.

is this what everyone will be doing? so if i ordered 2 packages.. total of 10 vials...

vials 1-4: 1st month
vials 5,6: 2nd month
vials 7-10: 3rd-6 month?

this contradicts the photo's where 1 vial was used/week... so 10 vials would last 2.5 months, not 6.

also regarding application. Just to confirm... do you roll/stamp/microneedle (one of) before or after applying the C'rum? It makes sense to me, to create the holes first then apply... yes?

i'll email dermaheal about the application periods...

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