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azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:16 pm

so there is an azaleic acid 20% creme (cream sp?) that one guy on regrowth, cpio said was working wonders for him

it was called skinoren, i know you can get it from inhouse, was thinking of trying it

i got nothing left, just using lasers, hgf, taking the occasional red maca

tried PM for like 10 days just took 3 capsules, it was not good, got me some nipply side effects, not pleasant

can't use dut or fin, anyone else got any other options, sigh, oh well i need to quit sorry for myself

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by OverMachoGrande » Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:25 pm

I used Azaleic Acid about four years ago with Zix (because of the AA, Zinc and B6 study reduces DHT by 90% paper), and it irritated my scalp. Of course, it was a home brew version that I made with alcohol, and back then I had a much more inflamed scalp that I do now, so maybe this is better.

I'm actually really tempted to try this product that CPIO recommended. I wouldn't mind covering my bases, and I've had my finger on the trigger to order some of these new topicals but I keep getting cold feet because I'm afraid of a negative interaction with my current regimen! Maybe my answer is with that old solution!

So, I may be there trying it with you. It wouldn't hurt to at least get a tube.

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:55 pm

yeah i think i'll end up getting 3, it's just like 60 bucks or so

maybe after all of the dut clears my system i'll try the PM again, but i don't want anything with sides

So my regimen will be

1. Lasering,
2. HGF, or when that runs out, the 2weekmiracle stuff
3. Red Maca (some guy on hlh says it's helping him)
4. Azaleic acid cream

Any other ideas?

Has CPIO followed here to this forum? I'd like to hear more about how it is going for him

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by CPIO » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:21 am

Hello!

Yes, I used 20% azelaic acid with great but preliminary success on the temples and hairline. I had regrowth
on the temples in one-and-half week. Now I also use tea tree oil 10% which is quite effective as well. Both of
these substances are hard to apply all-over, rthey are more toward problem areas. I am getting GFSE soon
and plan to use it for all-over treatment.

BTW, azelaic acid in 20% is a known skin-irritant (why it comes on prescription). Some people cant use it, but many who have
reactions to it can wean into daily usage and after awhile has no problem. Tea tree oil is damn strong stuff too. ONLY FOR TOPICAL USE.

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:50 am

CPIO,

Great to see you here, are things still encouraging with the azaleic acid? you said the success is "preliminary", has your excitement about it slowed down?

Also, I'm going to try to search for this info in a minute, but i thought maybe you could just tell me what is the deal with tea tree oil? What exactly would that do?

I don't suppose you have any pics of your hairloss, or can give me an idea of what your loss is like? I've completely lost my temples and the enemy is encroaching into the horseshoe area even more everyday that I am not regularly taking dutasteride

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:34 pm

Ok, so it seems like it is a potent antiandrogen along the same lines of nizoral, where exactly did you buy your tea tree oil?

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by OverMachoGrande » Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:21 pm

nate wrote:Ok, so it seems like it is a potent antiandrogen along the same lines of nizoral, where exactly did you buy your tea tree oil?
I think you mean "anit-FUNGAL", right?
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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by jdp710 » Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:58 pm

OMG,

Here are some quotes from Valderama:

"there is a very good study which says aa blocks 90 % of dht when combined with b6 and zinc and also another which had 50% of areata sufferers responding.

The xandrox people claim that aa reduces dht by 90% i used their products for years and i ended up not believing it. Now I read a study saying it does reduce dht by 90% IF you combine with it with zinc and b6."


Here is more info but biased info:

"Azaleic acid - you may have already heard of it, but recent studies have shown that it is probably the most potent anti-DHT topical treatment available when used with Crinagen which is formulated with Zinc and Vitamin B6. According to Dr. Lee, a hair loss specialist in the U.S., Azaleic acid is "close to 100%" effective in eliminating Type I - 5-alpha reductase on the scalp - the culprit for hair loss in pattern baldness. This discovery is also substantiated by the British Journal of Dermatology (Stamatiadis. 1988;119: 627-632). In a clinical study reported in the British Journal of Dermatology, topical application of Azaleic acid in conjunction with Zinc and Vitamin B6 can inhibit the activity of 5-alpha reductase by as much as 98%.

Azaleic acid is a natural substance commonly found in whole grains. It has been widely used for many years as an antibiotic or antiviral agent for treating acne and pigmentation. Clinical studies have shown that topical application of Azaleic acid can eliminate the accumulation of free radicals on our skin.

As a general rule, it is better to use Azaleic cream than pre-mixed Azaleic topical lotions. Same as Retin-A, Azaleic acid can be abrasive to scalp tissues if used properly. The most commonly reported problems with pre-mixed topical Retin-A or Azaleic acid lotions is that they are too strong and may cause follicles "burns" in some cases. Most people find it difficult to localize the topical lotions when applying to the scalp. Using Azaleic acid cream will allow the patient to test his or tolerance level on targeted areas on the scalp. The patient can increase or decrease the amount of cream used in each application depending on his or her tolerance level.

To be effective, Azaleic acid cream has to be used topically in conjunction with Zinc and Vitamin B6. The most readily available source of Zinc and Vitamin B6 topical lotion is Crinagen, formulated by Dr. Razack. To my knowledge, Crinagen is probably the only topical lotion sucessfully formulated with Zinc and Vitamin B6 as the key ingredients.

While Zinc and B6 can be found in any health food store, it is by no means easy trying to formulate a "chemically stable" lotion with the two agents. Zinc and B6 has a tendency to cause precipitates and residue when mixed with other agents in a liquid vehicle and when this happens, the "chemical state" of the mixture will become very unstable and the potency of all the agents in the liquid vehicle will be compromised. For example, Dr. Lee confirmed that he had made multiple attemtps to mix Azelaic acid, Zinc and B6 together and " regardless of the chemical form of the zinc, precipitates formed within a few days, indicating a reaction in the solutions that would compromise the chemical and physiological effect of the minoxidil and/or azelaic acid. "

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by OverMachoGrande » Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:26 pm

I don't know what's wrong with me... I used to cite that study all the time and I had it on my old website in 2005! lol...
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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:46 am

well, took the plunge and bought 5 tubes from inhouse,

i bought so much because I'm about to relocate to china for a year or less and inhouse won't ship there

anyone know of any way to get any prescription stuff to china? I read recent articles about the government searching through packages of prescription meds and making people produce prescriptions for the meds and then still being difficult when they provide it. I wonder if they will have a problem if someone sends me the meds from the US

anyone got any experience with the tea tree oil? I think I will start a thread about it i guess

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by CPIO » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:58 am

I ran out of skinoren but look forward to starting it again soon!

I'd like to hear other peoples experience with it.

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:31 pm

whoa, you ran out already? How long did you use it? 1 month = 1 bottle?

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:45 am

Wow, that shipping was incredibly fast!

I put in my order to inhouse on july 27, and it just came to my house in Dallas today, that is the fastest they have ever shipped here

I got 5 tubes of skinoren 20% AA cream, and will be starting it tonight on my temples, horseshoe area, and vertex, don't want to use too much

I should have a good idea if it works or not seeing as how I am weening off of dut and everyday my hair looks worse

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by Pete2 » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:05 am

nate wrote:so there is an azaleic acid 20% creme (cream sp?) that one guy on regrowth, cpio said was working wonders for him

it was called skinoren, i know you can get it from inhouse, was thinking of trying it

i got nothing left, just using lasers, hgf, taking the occasional red maca

tried PM for like 10 days just took 3 capsules, it was not good, got me some nipply side effects, not pleasant

can't use dut or fin, anyone else got any other options, sigh, oh well i need to quit sorry for myself


It probably works to reduce inflammation among other things.




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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:58 pm

So i have been using this stuff for 2 weeks now

This thread does not seem to be getting any responses but i thought i would update anyway cuz i hate when other people start something and don't update

the past 2 weeks i've just been using this cream 1-2 times a day, HGF i got from nidhogge, lasering, and yesterday i started to add rogaine foam

I should also mention that i've weened off dut to the point of one cap a week for the last 2 weeks

libido is doing much better, weight loss is starting to happen, the return of morningwood, etc

hair is not looking good but it is a bit harder to tell cuz i buzzed down to a 1 guard all around

i still have frontal hair, still no temples, looks like some of the strong hairs where the temples would normally be are very strong, but i don't think there are a ton of other hairs around them. I don't see amazing regrowth yet like CPIO said he got after just a week and a half

I will continue using hoping to get some results, this stuff is hard to apply and to me, doesn't completely absorb into the scalp, as in it is not 100% dry even a half hour later

and if you sweat, even hours later, you will see some white from the AA cream

by the way, only applied the foam twice, i think it gives me slight dizziness, nausea, and my heartbeats feel really heavy.... i was not expecting that cuz i used Dr. lee's xandrox for like 2 years and don't remember any problems. Does the foam just absorb a lot more?

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by hapyman » Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:36 pm

Why did you add the minox foam?

Anyways good luck with your regiment. Keep us updated.

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by nate » Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:36 pm

Why did i add the minox foam?

Well, I don't know, why not i guess? It was cheap and i just found a three pack for like $45 at walmart, figured i could use a growth stimulant

Well, probably won't be able to use it anyway

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by hapyman » Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:11 pm

Just forewarning that numerous people from this board and another have had horrible sheds from minox foam. OMG is one of them. I used regular minox and the same story. Personally, and this is just my opinion, I would stay away from minox. I would hate to become dependent on that crap.

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Re: azaleic acid 20%

Post by CPIO » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:24 pm

Only use little of the skinoren each time and first wash the skin so the pores open but make sure the skin is dry when apply just after. It goes well
in roation with tea tree oil 10% but minox will ruin anything. Skinoren should be easy to apply.

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