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Post by Jacob » Sat May 23, 2009 2:18 pm

http://www.lamasbeauty.com/chinese_scalp_serum.html

Also some other new products: http://www.lamasbeauty.com/chinese_herbs_hair_care.html
* Lamas proprietary Ancient Herbal blend of Therapeutic Chinese Herbs

* Apple Stem Cells, specialized long-living plant cells that have unique growth characteristics to invigorate hair growth

* Swertia Extract increases microcirculation and stimulates weak hair follicles to enhance hair growth

* Glycyrrhiza Glabra Root Extract naturally aids in baldness-prevention

* Paeonia Albiflora Root Extract controls premature balding

* Ginseng and Prunus Persica (Peach) Seed Extracts promote re-growth for receding hairlines and frontal baldness

* Polygonum Multiflorum Extract, regularly used by Chinese doctors to treat thinning hair, also restores the texture and color of graying hair

* Paraben-free
15% off this weekend..with the code via their newsletter.

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Post by Jacob » Sat May 23, 2009 5:37 pm

More on the apple stem cells:


http://www.mibellebiochemistry.com/pdfs ... 8_2008.pdf
In contrast to embryonic stem cells, adult stem cells persist for the whole life. They are indispensable to the
maintenance and repair of tissues. Some few stem cells in the basal layer of the epidermis produce all the other
keratinocytes that differentiate to the stratum corneum and are renewed every four weeks. In older skin, the epidermal
stem cells are less active and lower in number leading to wrinkles and an increased renewal time of the epidermis.
Plants too have stem cells. After isolation, they can be cultured in liquid media. PhytoCellTec™ Malus Domestica, a
preparation of apple stem cells, was found to stimulate the proliferation of human blood stem cells and to increase the
lifespan of skin fibroblast cells and of isolated hair follicles.
"The extract of Uttwiler Spätlauber stem cells was
obtained after lysis of the plant cells using high
pressure homogenisation. For preparation of
PhytoCellTec™ Malus Domestica, the etract was
incorporated into lecithin liposomes. The composition
of PhytoCellTec™ Malus Domestica is the following
(INCI): Malus Domestica Fruit Cell Culture, Xanthan
Gum, Glycerin, Lecithin, Phenoxyethanol and Aqua


Results and Discussions
Protection of Human Stem Cells
Stem cells from umbilical cord blood represent an
ethically correct source of human stem cells. An
extract of Uttwiler Spätlauber stem cells was tested on
cell viability of umbilical cord blood stem cells in two
different studies. First, the effect of the extract on the
proliferative activity of the human stem cells was
analyzed. There was a clear, concentration-dependent
effect found (Fig. 4). At only 0.1%, the extract
stimulated cell proliferation by 80%. In a second
experiment, the stem cells were stressed through
irradiation with UV light.

Almost 50% of the cells that were cultured in the growth medium alone died, whereas cells cultured in presence of an extract of Uttwiler Spätlauber experienced only a small loss of viability
Retardation of Senescence in Isolated Hair Follicles
Human hair follicles can be isolated by
microdissection from skin fragments that are left after
facelift surgery. Only follicles in the anagen phase are
collected. Hair follicles are mini organs that represent
a natural coculture model of epidermal and
melanocyte stem cells and differentiated cells. The
follicles can be maintained in a growth medium where
they elongate until about day 14. Then the follicle
cells gradually become senescent or undergo apoptosis
which is a programmed cell death. Because of the lack
of blood circulation, isolated hair follicles cannot be
kept alive and growing for a longer period. But
isolated hair follicles are test models to screen for
actives that can delay the necrosis process. Addition of
0.2% of an extract of Uttwiler Spätlauber stem cells
was found to slightly but clearly postpone senescenceand
apoptosis-induced necrosis. Figure 6 shows that
follicles kept in presence of the Uttwiler Spätlauber
stem cell extract continued to elongate until day 18,
whereas the control follicles started to shrink after day
14.

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Post by Jacob » Sat May 23, 2009 6:05 pm

Those products and this shampoo(as well as what I'm also currently using) are what I'd love to use over the summer: http://www.sigmaskin.com/

Ingreds as posted by chore boy:
Purified Water, Decyl Glucoside, Disodium Coco-Glucoside Citrate, Coco-Glucoside, Glyceryl Oleate, Hydrolyzed Wheat Protein, Xanthan Gum, Biotin, Panax Ginseng Root Extract, Ginkgo Biloba, Calcium D-Pantothenate, Malus Domestica Fruit Cell Culture, Glycerin, Lecithin, Saccharomyces/Copper Ferment, Arginine, Sodium Cocoyl Aminoacids, Potassium Dimethicone PEG-7 Panthenyl Phosphate, Caffeine, Phenoxyethanol, Ethylhexylglycerin, Phospholipids, Retinol, Ascorbic Acid, Tocopherol, Achillea Millefolium Extract, Symphytum Officinale Leaf Extract, Hamamelis Virginiana (Witch Hazel) Extract, Humulus Lupulus (Hops) Extract, Equisetum Arvense Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Extract, Calendula Officinalis Flower Extract, Glycrrhiza Glabra (Licorice) Root Extract, Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Peel Extract, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Peel Extract, Arctium Majus Root Extract, and Fragrance
Elsom has talked about using that ingred, possibly via the Formulator..so would love to add that as well, eventually.

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Post by dreamlandman » Sun May 24, 2009 3:25 am

Jacob,
after reading about all these topicals you've been sharing info about, I think I might end up giving both the shampoo you just mentioned and the Lamas Serum a go for a few months (3-6?), but I'm now waiting to see how the A&G will work out so I'll probably give that 2 months or more yet before I try these.

Thanks for sharing. We appreciate as many options as possible! 8)

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Post by Jacob » Sun May 24, 2009 7:58 am

Well let me know if you find a good deal on that shampoo, please \:D/

Here's the encapsulated apple stem cell ingredient on it's own:

http://www.lotioncrafter.com/phytocellt ... ctid=16620

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Post by dreamlandman » Sun May 24, 2009 3:43 pm

Will do.
I'll no doubt be buying probably 3 or so of the serums at a time, first up, and the same for the shampoo. Goodness knows how long each shampoo bottle will last since from the instructions there you actually apply it twice during a single showering session. :?:
Would the first application be to remove the sebum layer? Then the second for intake of the actives? I'm guessing so.

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Post by Jacob » Sun May 24, 2009 3:56 pm

I did some checking around..and there are some other places selling the new Lamas line. Same prices though. Then there are others that have the new packaging(shampoo and conditioner)..but not the new serum etc. I've emailed one that discounts the shampoo and conditioner if you buy 2 right away...to see if they'll be carrying the new products.

I think I'll just get one directly from Lamas for now. They'll probably be sold out and the other places will be waiting for months to get theirs anyway :lol:

On the Sigma shampoo..it probably is to remove the sebum etc so things absorb better.

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Post by kamui » Sun May 24, 2009 8:56 pm

Thx for the info jacob!

Lamas Chinese Herbal Shampoo looks good.. I may get some.

http://www.lamasbeauty.com/dahne_testimonial.html

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Post by dreamlandman » Mon May 25, 2009 2:30 am

Well that's quite inspiring to read. Maybe I'll end up getting both the Sigma and the Lamas shampoo. On Lamas' video he says to use it at least 2X per week so that'd fit in with using the Sigma version 5X per week. Hmmm. :|

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Post by Jacob » Mon May 25, 2009 9:28 am

Dr. Y responded to my apple stem cell post at his forum. I have to read it a few times to get some of the stuff..but he always makes it entertaining :lol:

http://skincare-cosmeceuticals.com/form ... ,56.0.html

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Post by Jacob » Mon May 25, 2009 10:02 am

And on that Lamas 15% off deal...it's good until midnight tonight..and free shipping with orders over $40

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Post by dreamlandman » Mon May 25, 2009 5:57 pm

Jacob wrote:Dr. Y responded to my apple stem cell post at his forum. I have to read it a few times to get some of the stuff..but he always makes it entertaining :lol:

http://skincare-cosmeceuticals.com/form ... ,56.0.html
I see what you mean!
A stickler for details and logic/common sense, but thank goodness.

After reading that, the other posts on the products and then investigating the Nanoscalp, Juveline and ScalpXtreme, I think in the future I'll choose those 3 and use them alternatingly as he suggests.
For shampoos I'll use the Sigmaskin, Lamas Shampoo and of course my Nizoral 2%, alternating them accordingly as well. I wash my hair 2X per day anyway now because I often use Toppik when going out.

If this doesn't work then.... :evil:
:lol: Man, what we do just to get something beneficial in return!

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Post by Jacob » Tue May 26, 2009 9:10 am

On the Sigma shampoo..like with any others that aren't that cheap...I'll be using a cheap natural shampoo for the first wash. It doesn't look like there are any bargains out there on this stuff.

I did find a place that will be carrying the Lamas serum etc..the one that has the shampoo and conditioner at a discount if you buy 2 or more. They did say they can special order the serum etc now...but since I've already ordered from Lamas, I'll see if they can get the Sigma shampoo instead.

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Post by astro_boy » Tue May 26, 2009 12:50 pm

I keep emailing sigma asking them if it's actual apple stem cell in their shampoo and not just apple polyphenols and also for the concentration of the apple product. They've yet to get back to me.

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Post by Jacob » Tue May 26, 2009 2:46 pm

It is confusing. It's the stem cell ingredient that's listed in their ingreds..but then they talk about apple poly's. I can't imagine they'd have the stem cell ingred listed w/out having it in there.

I've never gotten a response from them btw.

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Post by astro_boy » Tue May 26, 2009 3:47 pm

I was actually in contact with Dr. Yechiel asking about apple stem cells and asked about the naming he said:

"The term “Malus Domestica Fruit Cell Culture” can be non-stem cell culture but I believe that it is meant to identify the stem cell culture. So, its not about polyphenols but about other components (un-known), maybe plant growth factors."

So most likely it's the stem cell culture but not necessarily? I'm trying to call them at their number but I didn't get through the first time on that either. Looks like they have crappy customer service even though their site claims to have great service. :/
I may pass on this shampoo unless we can find out some more info.

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Post by Jacob » Tue May 26, 2009 4:02 pm

Speaking of Dr. Y/Elsom...I bet he'd put the apple stem cells in his own shampoo if asked. I wonder how much more it'd be though. I doubt he'd sell it like that...it'd just be something you'd have to ask him to do. I think I had caffeine added one time. He's done that in the past with his topicals as well.

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Post by Jacob » Thu May 28, 2009 7:43 am

astro_boy wrote:

So most likely it's the stem cell culture but not necessarily? I'm trying to call them at their number but I didn't get through the first time on that either. Looks like they have crappy customer service even though their site claims to have great service. :/
I may pass on this shampoo unless we can find out some more info.
I posted about this at Regrowth. They don't use the word "stem"..they call it "fruit cell(s)". Then they talk about apply poly's on the website etc. Something isn't adding up.

Did you ever get anyone on the phone?

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Post by 1..... » Fri May 29, 2009 6:46 pm

anyone guna try the serum?

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Post by Jacob » Sat May 30, 2009 9:17 am

I will be..as soon as I figure out how to incorporate it into my regimen :-s

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Post by 1..... » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:23 pm

jacob i saw on regrowth that you bought this stuff. let us know how it goes

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Post by Jacob » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:41 pm

Yeah..and so far I love it. I'm surprised at how good the styling cream is..for *my* hair. Meaning..for some it may not be what you're looking for.

The only complaint I would have is that I wish the serum was in a pump bottle like Elsom uses. I do like droppers..but there's a bit seeping out at the top, which is ok if it just stays there and keeps it sealed. And when using droppers, you always have that container open while you're applying the stuff. Quite a bit of exposure time. Maybe it won't affect it at all :-k

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Post by Alex Summers » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:51 pm

Jacob,

You're using the serum, right?

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Post by Jacob » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:52 pm

Yep..and the styling cream. And the shampoo here there(already been using that for years though).

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Post by kamui » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:40 pm

Jacob, you been using the herbal chinese shampoo for years? how do you like it?

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Post by kamisama » Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:59 pm

kamui: i think jacob said that the shampoo was good.

Jacob: Do you have the code for the 15% discount or something? Is it still available?

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Post by Jacob » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:06 pm

Yep..the shampoo is good.

Sorry..just tried the code and it has expired. Your best bet is to ask Vitacost to get it asap. I've asked some other places as well.

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Post by goten574 » Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:02 pm

Sorry if the answer is posted somewhere but how often do you apply the Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum? and how long would one 1.7oz bottle last for?

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Post by Jacob » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:30 pm

goten574 wrote:Sorry if the answer is posted somewhere but how often do you apply the Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum? and how long would one 1.7oz bottle last for?
I personally only apply it once a day..but they recommend twice a day. I'm not sure how long a bottle is going to last, looks like at least a month for me. I guess I'll find out 8)

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Post by goten574 » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:40 pm

Jacob wrote:
goten574 wrote:Sorry if the answer is posted somewhere but how often do you apply the Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum? and how long would one 1.7oz bottle last for?
I personally only apply it once a day..but they recommend twice a day. I'm not sure how long a bottle is going to last, looks like at least a month for me. I guess I'll find out 8)
How many drops should you use in one session? Only last approx a month? That works out as £30 a month....

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Post by kamisama » Sun Jun 07, 2009 11:33 pm

jacob, if u were to choose, which one would you think is better in terms of ingredients, lamas or LA science? I can only afford to choose from one, while waiting for ppg-less AG or Caregen pdt. This seriously sucks..

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Post by Jacob » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:29 am

kamisama wrote:jacob, if u were to choose, which one would you think is better in terms of ingredients, lamas or LA science? I can only afford to choose from one, while waiting for ppg-less AG or Caregen pdt. This seriously sucks..
Well..since I already did choose :wink:

I was more interested in the Lamas product because of the apple stem cells- was looking for a topical containing them. Then all the other ingreds also look good. Then I'm thinking...this is a new product, we have no idea if it'll do anything..might as well try it. The LA Science and similar products have been out for some time and I never read about them doing anything. Which doesn't mean they won't..but again, I'd rather try something new.

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Post by Jacob » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:32 am

goten574 wrote:
Jacob wrote:
goten574 wrote:Sorry if the answer is posted somewhere but how often do you apply the Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum? and how long would one 1.7oz bottle last for?
I personally only apply it once a day..but they recommend twice a day. I'm not sure how long a bottle is going to last, looks like at least a month for me. I guess I'll find out 8)
How many drops should you use in one session? Only last approx a month? That works out as £30 a month....
Enough to cover whatever you're trying to cover..I guess. I haven't really been counting the drops. I use about half a dropper full each time. I've posted when I started..so we'll see....

The price should be cheaper once it hits places such as Vitacost.

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Post by kamisama » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:49 pm

Jacob wrote:
kamisama wrote:jacob, if u were to choose, which one would you think is better in terms of ingredients, lamas or LA science? I can only afford to choose from one, while waiting for ppg-less AG or Caregen pdt. This seriously sucks..
Well..since I already did choose :wink:

I was more interested in the Lamas product because of the apple stem cells- was looking for a topical containing them. Then all the other ingreds also look good. Then I'm thinking...this is a new product, we have no idea if it'll do anything..might as well try it. The LA Science and similar products have been out for some time and I never read about them doing anything. Which doesn't mean they won't..but again, I'd rather try something new.

I think i will go ahead with that as well, cause the reasons that you brought up are sound. Thanks man

btw, ive emailed vitacost regarding it, hope they will bring it in as i often purchase stuff on their website as well. jacob hope you can update on any progress, as i will too, but it would be some time before i receive it as i'll be away for a holiday.

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Post by kamui » Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:17 pm

Let me know when this topical goes on vitacost. :D

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Post by goten574 » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:06 am

Jacob wrote:Enough to cover whatever you're trying to cover..I guess. I haven't really been counting the drops. I use about half a dropper full each time. I've posted when I started..so we'll see....
You use half a dropper each day then? When I apply my oils, I use about 20 droppers all over my MPB area. Anyway, looking forward to hearing how it goes for you!

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Post by Jacob » Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:38 am

goten574 wrote:
Jacob wrote:Enough to cover whatever you're trying to cover..I guess. I haven't really been counting the drops. I use about half a dropper full each time. I've posted when I started..so we'll see....
You use half a dropper each day then? When I apply my oils, I use about 20 droppers all over my MPB area. Anyway, looking forward to hearing how it goes for you!
Well..it's probably more like 1/3 of a dropper...it's pretty long. 20 droppers full would require a few bottles per month..maybe one a week :-s

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Post by kamisama » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:04 pm

Jacob, any updates? Mine's coming by hopefully by this week

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:44 pm

Nothing really...although it's way too early. I have used up at least half a bottle..so I'm not crazy about how long a bottle is going to last me..even though I think I said it should last at least a month. If it were lotion-like it'd be lasting much longer(like Elsom's).

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:19 pm

FYI...Drugstore.com has $20 off a $65 or more purchase....when you use Paypal. And free shipping. They carry the Lamas line..although the serum is out of stock at the moment. Good 'til the 8th.
http://www.drugstore.com/user/promo.asp ... &atrxp4=60

There is a $1.99 fee for shipping on back-ordered items :-s

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:50 pm

They also have other hair loss products. Here's one I was looking at some time ago..have no room for it now though: http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod. ... atid=31228 Has some good reviews.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by kamisama » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:35 pm

hey jacob,

do you have the tingling feel when u apply lamas? its like a warm tingling sensation. Could it be the menthol or peppermint oil? Btw, is it true that peppermint oil is bad, think i read over at hlh.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Thu Jul 09, 2009 7:55 pm

What I feel is more of a cooling tinging sensation..lasts a few minutes. I think there were mixed conclusions on peppermint..if I remember correctly. If it does look bad..email Lamas about it. I'd have to look into it a bit.

On a side note..I'm still on the same bottle..so I'm pleased with how long it's lasting me.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:45 pm

A couple of days ago my first bottle ran out. So it's lasted what..7 weeks or so. Applying it once a day. Not bad 8)

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:48 pm

Now through Thursday, August 27th, save 20% on your Lamas Beauty purchases!

To save 20% on your order, enter the special offer code EX714 during checkout. This is a special email offer only being extended to Lamas Beauty customers.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by hopeful19 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:40 am

Any updates from Lamas Serum users.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jocko59 » Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:45 am

I have been using it for a week now. So, it's too early to say that I've had any regrowth. I do notice a tingling on my scalp where I apply it and that my crown (where I apply most of it) feels "sore" now after one week. I don't know if that's good or bad or what. I guess I will look for changes over the next three months or so.

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by hopeful19 » Wed Nov 25, 2009 11:23 am

Here is a 25% of coupon which is valid till December 1.
Code LX18

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by Jacob » Wed Nov 25, 2009 3:25 pm

That code is for Lamasbeauty.com ..for those wondering :wink:

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Re: Lamas- Chinese Herbs Regenerating Scalp Serum- w/apple stem cells

Post by perga » Wed Nov 25, 2009 5:18 pm

just tried that code, didn't work

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