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Re: A&G Hair Complex from A&G Skin Solutions

Post by Jacob » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:04 pm

p__ wrote:
Jacob wrote:I thought the picture of the bottle in this thread(see page 1) was actually pretty good. I noticed when I posted it at HLT, it shows up smaller(I posted it as I had gotten it..didn't re-size it or anything).
I can explain why if you really want to know :) Anyway, if you go to HLT and click the image, you'll be able to see the full image in a new tab/window.
I really want to know. In two weeks :evil:
And I did not know it was clickable over there..thanks.

Here's a short Youtube vid on one's experience with the product. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ntVzkapveY

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Post by bug » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:34 pm

Dr.AQ wrote:Greetings everyone,
1- Can you post a link of a company(s) or before and after pictures of head shots that you think are better than what we presented at A&G?
Sure Dr AQ...scroll through all the pages of this pdf

http://www.histogeninc.com/downloads/st ... summit.pdf

There's about 7 before and after photos

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Post by redbird » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:44 pm

I don't find Histogen's pictures all that impressive either.

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Post by bug » Mon Mar 16, 2009 7:53 pm

redbird wrote:I don't find Histogen's pictures all that impressive either.
One safety dose application and 12 weeks later this is the result:
Individual follicular units were counted, and this subject increased the number of apparent hair follicles from 217 to 265. Total hair counts showed an increase from 307 to 360 This is approximately a 20% increase overall.

Show me something else that can do that with just one application in 12 weeks. Im impressed with the pictures compared to everything else out there. Their 5 month update is due this month. Im looking forward to that.

Even if you arent impressed at least you get to see every follicle and judge for yourself. Additionally they arent hiding anything. They are telling us exactly what they are using.

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Re: A&G Hair Complex from A&G Skin Solutions

Post by p__ » Mon Mar 16, 2009 8:08 pm

Dr.AQ wrote:I am taking all of the suggestions and criticism to heart. I really appreciate the input and would like to ask these questions:
Your willingness to discuss this and your openness to feedback speaks volumes about your commitment! Very commendable! =D>
Dr.AQ wrote:1- Can you post a link of a company(s) or before and after pictures of head shots that you think are better than what we presented at A&G?
Are you asking in terms of quality of photos or in terms of results? My first reaction was to think of the Histogen photos that Bug already mentioned.
Dr.AQ wrote:2- based of the pictures shown on A&G website, how many think there was no improvement on Mr.A condition and the same results can be achieved by other products?
I have a really hard time trying to tell. :-k The photos are so small and the angle changed so much that I can't make up my mind. If I had high res photos and/or photos of more subjects it would probably be much easier to tell.
Dr.AQ wrote:3- How many believe that someone with NW 6-7 is able to re-grow hair to that length and thickness with other product(s) in the time frame A&G Hair Complex did ?
:) Well, since I really can't tell the extent of re-growth from the current photos alone, I consequently don't know what other products would be better. If the results are as good as you described them before, nothing comes close as far as I know.
Dr.AQ wrote:p.s. We will address some of the concerns on our next website update. :D
Looking forward to the update!

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Post by astro_boy » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:03 pm

bug wrote:
redbird wrote:I don't find Histogen's pictures all that impressive either.
Even if you arent impressed at least you get to see every follicle and judge for yourself. Additionally they arent hiding anything. They are telling us exactly what they are using.

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If only they didn't get a lawsuit for it :?

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Post by redbird » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:19 pm

bug wrote:
redbird wrote:I don't find Histogen's pictures all that impressive either.
One safety dose application and 12 weeks later this is the result:
Individual follicular units were counted, and this subject increased the number of apparent hair follicles from 217 to 265. Total hair counts showed an increase from 307 to 360 This is approximately a 20% increase overall.

Show me something else that can do that with just one application in 12 weeks. Im impressed with the pictures compared to everything else out there. Their 5 month update is due this month. Im looking forward to that.

Even if you arent impressed at least you get to see every follicle and judge for yourself. Additionally they arent hiding anything. They are telling us exactly what they are using.

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My biggest problem is that I want to see an overhead shot of different areas of the head. And I want to see the after pictures in the same light, same angle, etc. as has been discussed. I want to see the front as well as the back, which requires 2 different pictures. I basically want p_ suggestions followed, which none of these do. That's why I'm not impressed with any of these pictures.

I also don't care about a closeup picture with individual hair counts. I have no idea what the context is. Maybe that's just an area right next to an area that has lots of hair, and not in the middle of the head of thinning hair. Could make a big difference on increases hair counts. You have to have the context.

I really want to see an overall picture, close enough to see the entire front. And an overall picture to see the entire back given p_'s photographic suggestions. I want an overall view to give me an idea of what the cosmetic changes look like.

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Post by hulihoop » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:38 pm

I agree entirely with Redbird. I would also love to see a photo of what they look like now...six months to a year after treatment, although I am not sure that any would have been taken.

I also think that for people with different NWs and for diffuse thinners more examples would be good. People like to get an idea of how they would be affected by seeing a similar scenario to theirs and seeing the hair complexes effect on that. For example I am a diffuse thinner. I'd love to know how much it tends to thicken things up. Does it cause a big shed in the process so that, for example, there is less hair in week 8 then week 5 before finally ending up with whatever the result is in week 15? You get the idea. It is a lot easier to evaluate how it might affect you when you see an example of someone whose hair loss looks like yours than it is to extrapolate from poor quality photos of a NW 6.

Dr. AQ, I give you credit for coming up with 6 photos as opposed to just a before and after but unless you have either more examples or better quality photos which show what redbird is asking for then it is really difficult for us to get a handle on what your product can really do. That is a shame for you as it means fewer people will be lining up to buy this product. We really want to believe in this but are conditioned by our collective experience to be very cautious about these things. The product sounds great, but we really want to see what it's capable of.

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Post by bug » Mon Mar 16, 2009 9:47 pm

Hi Redbird

Well you and I differ I guess. To me new follicles are new follicles. It doesnt matter what the angle is or lighting. Ive been posting to hair loss forums since 1993 and I have never seen a photo of a human scalp showing individual brand new follicles.... and thats because nobody else has ever done it! It doesnt need context. Growing brand new hair is a monumental feat and doing so would indicate that this is the best thing discovered so far.

I have also seen hundreds of before and after photos and hundreds of responses complaining about the lighting and angles. I think the best way to show short term results is just to show closeups of the exact same spot(show each individual hair). Subjectivity should be left out.

As for cosmetic results in the longer term it doesnt matter what angle or lighting is used. If the guy in the A&G photos had Brad Pitt hair in the last photo would anybody care about the angle or lighting? While I think its sad that the photos on the A&G site arent consistent, Im willing to bet that if they had been identical in angle and lighting...people still wouldnt be able judge the growth. Without Brad Pitt hair in the after photos, showing very up close very high resolution photos is the best option(eliminates angle and lighting independent variables)

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Post by perga » Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:03 pm

Haha, no, I don't work for A&G. I'm trying to stay positive. Yes the photos are a bit ambiguous, but I have not given up hope. This guy was very bald before this treatment... if this product had actually grown significant hair in his heaviest MPB zones it would be miraculous. Personally, I think there is some regrowth there, I can't be sure how much because the pictures aren't consistent, but I think disregarding the entire set because of that is being overly judgmental. Let's just hope in the next update there are more convincing evidence, and some pictures of people with less severe condition.

Also, much thanks to Dr. AQ, I really do appreciate you coming here and talking to us.

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Post by Jajo » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:03 pm

bug wrote: To me new follicles are new follicles. It doesnt matter what the angle is or lighting. Ive been posting to hair loss forums since 1993 and I have never seen a photo of a human scalp showing individual brand new follicles.... and thats because nobody else has ever done it! It doesnt need context. Growing brand new hair is a monumental feat and doing so would indicate that this is the best thing discovered so far.
Amen bug!

Could not have said it better myself! Ironically, its the press regarding Histogen at the Summit that prompted me to take a look around to see if any other new treatments were on the horizon, which is what lead me here.


and Jacob -

you should have premised the YouTube posting with a big bold "for what its worth", which is nothing! :lol: Thats a good one! ;-)


I havent written this one off yet but that all too familiar sinking feeling is starting to creep in (you know the one I'm talking about) :? I mean come on, the launch is in a couple days and for all intents and purposes, we have nothing but claims.


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Post by hulihoop » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:49 am

I will absolutely say this: The difference between the professinalism on how they present their product (lawsuit being the exception) between histogen and A&G is beyond striking. What jajo just said is the way I am starting to feel unless they pull things together rapidly. How could the launch of such a great product have such an absolutley abysmal launch? Makes you stop and wonder about the product.

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Post by hulihoop » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:00 am

Website has changed but no new info or pics.

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Post by Whoop » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:07 am

I think I'm the one with the least doubts in here, lol.

I think these photos really destroyed the introduction of the product. The angles are constantly changing and the lightning in the last two pictures are different too.

But I really do think this is just because the docs are for the first time bringing a product that counters hairloss. I totally agree that they could have done a lot better job though. But (with all due respect) I think the docs are no real marketeers:

- the photos are of no good quality
- there has not been much advertising yet, though the product is coming out at the end of this week
- the commercial on youtube is one of the worst I've ever seen. Haha, it even made me laugh. "that was me one month ago", lol, that only makes a difference if he's singing his gonna kill himself because of his hairloss.
- the website does not give a lot of information about the product (though it was only partially updated)

I see a lot of posts showing up on other sites this must be a scam. Well I think these previous things are the reason why it's certainly NOT a scam. Think about it:

- why would they start advertising on a hairlossforum? Sure it's cheap and you will reach interested people, but you are gonna get put to the test big time. You'll get busted when you're selling water in a bottle. Better take another way (be it for a higher price).
- why would u recommend to stop using other products while using the haircomplex? If I was selling water in a bottle, I'd ask everyone to keep using minoxidil and propecia! It would be a lot harder to see if the maintainance/regrowth came from the haircomplex or from the other product.
- why would u give these fast results? Better make people wait a few months, so you can earn lots and leave the country while doing so ( :twisted: ).

I really think the docs found something that does work, but just messed up marketing it.

Oh well, this is just what I think of it. Maybe the docs thought way ahead of mel, hehe :twisted: .

I'll try the haircomplex, but I don't have the money for it when it comes out. I'm just a poor student, lol.

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Post by redbird » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:16 am

bug wrote:Hi Redbird

Well you and I differ I guess. To me new follicles are new follicles. It doesnt matter what the angle is or lighting. Ive been posting to hair loss forums since 1993 and I have never seen a photo of a human scalp showing individual brand new follicles.... and thats because nobody else has ever done it! It doesnt need context. Growing brand new hair is a monumental feat and doing so would indicate that this is the best thing discovered so far.

I have also seen hundreds of before and after photos and hundreds of responses complaining about the lighting and angles. I think the best way to show short term results is just to show closeups of the exact same spot(show each individual hair). Subjectivity should be left out.

As for cosmetic results in the longer term it doesnt matter what angle or lighting is used. If the guy in the A&G photos had Brad Pitt hair in the last photo would anybody care about the angle or lighting? While I think its sad that the photos on the A&G site arent consistent, Im willing to bet that if they had been identical in angle and lighting...people still wouldnt be able judge the growth. Without Brad Pitt hair in the after photos, showing very up close very high resolution photos is the best option(eliminates angle and lighting independent variables)

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That's okay, we can differ. I've been posting since 1993 as well. Tried Minox back in 86 for the first time (had it compounded). So I've been at this for quite awhile as well. I've seen about every picture of every product you can imagine.

Yes, new hairs are interesting, and exciting. But it doesn't really matter if it can't be translated into cosmetically acceptable results. Close-ups are fine. Hair counts are fine. But neither means anything unless you can actually see the results from a cosmetic point of view. And the pictures right now look a lot like the deceptive pictures shown by snake oil salesmen, because of the changed angles, different hair length, etc. I'm not saying these guys are scam artists. In fact, I don't think they are. I believe they are legit. They just were not very careful with their pictures.

But in any event, bad pictures at worst will only prevent some people from buying it at the beginning. There still will be people buying it. And getting a positive review from somebody you know on a forum is actually better than a good picture (which is something that couldn't be done 25 years ago!). If this stuff really works, we will know, and it will sell. If it doesn't work, or is not much better than minox or whatever else is out there, we will know, and it will not sell. Simple as that.

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Post by Jacob » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:52 am

Jajo wrote:

and Jacob -

you should have premised the YouTube posting with a big bold "for what its worth", which is nothing! :lol: Thats a good one! ;-)


Jajo
Are you trying to get me sued by the Paul Harvey family :?:

Waiting for more updates.....

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Post by kamui » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:56 am

Jacob, how did you find that youtube video? Do you know the person in it? Maybe you can email him on youtube for an update? O:)

Actually after watching it again, why is he advertising a&g's website on the video? I wonder who he is.
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Post by Whoop » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:26 pm

kamui wrote:Jacob, how did you find that youtube video? Do you know the person in it? Maybe you can email him on youtube for an update? O:)
Probably just searched for "a&g" or "haircomplex" :razz:

Dr. AQ,
any updates on the radio interview yet?

Greetings!

ps. I hate to live in another timezone with things like this. I keep going to bed late, because I don't wanna miss the action on the forums about this.. :oops:

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Post by kamui » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:32 pm

Dr. AQ,

Answer to your questions:

1) http://www.rogaine.com/men/real-results/real-stories
Scroll down to the bottom.

2) I think there is a slight improvement and I believe Propecia plus Rogaine can definitely achieve these results if not better.

3) None, your product seems to have the fastest results I have seen.

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Post by perga » Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:14 pm

where the fudge are the updates :(

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Post by Bombarie » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:13 pm

@ Whoop:

Not much action in here the last days before launch :(

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Post by Whoop » Thu Mar 19, 2009 12:15 am

Yeh what's the deal? :o Tomorrow the website should be up and running and the product should be up for sale too then.. Where are the updates? Or are they coming simultaneously with the update that will enable online purchasing?

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:44 am

There were supposed to be updates yesterday..plus Dr AQ hasn't been back here to answer questions :(

kamui..I tried contacting the Youtube guy but never got a response.

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Post by Bombarie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:07 pm

our hopes has been gone!!!

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Post by Whoop » Thu Mar 19, 2009 3:55 pm

@Bombarie,

Now now, come on. Don't be so frightened and negative. This product doesn't exist because of the amounts of posts, it's the other way around.

Sure it's quite annoying that that dr. AQ isn't responding as quick as before anymore and that there is way less discussion than before, but who is to blame?

Tomorrow it will be March the 20th, and when I wake up the website is said to be updated with the possibility to purchase the haircomplex. If it ain't when I wake up, it should be a few hours later. If it ain't possible that few hours later.. Then I'll be quite frustrated and I'll start asking questions per e-mail :P

For me this is still a great opportunity. But I have to say that my maingoal is to maintain the hair that I have now...

Whatever, I'll just close my eyes and go to sleep now:)

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 19, 2009 4:14 pm

Yeah sure Whoop..you're probably sleeping with one eye open :lol:

Latest update is that things are still on schedule. Dr. AQ is busy with finals and they had tech problems with the website. An update later this evening..? We shall see.

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Post by perga » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:14 pm

Welp, looks like there is a "buy" button for the hair serum. Doesn't look like any other updates beyond that though.

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Post by Jajo » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:25 pm

This is an unbelievable 180 degree, rug pulling, disapointment IMO!

The only "update" to that POS website is a "Buy" button? Where are all the pics of the trialists?!

The ONLY pics of someone that has supposedly used this product is someone with absolutley NONE to questionable cosmetically significant results - yeah I said it, we could debate angle of incidence of camera/lighting to his head etc but the bottom line is, the dude is still a CUE-BALL! =; and no other trialists were posted - at this point, I don't believe they have any. If they did, they'd be posted and thats a FACT.

The emails with "William the trialist" are as worthless as that YouTube video (no before and afters) - so, we have absolutely no positive anecdotal evidence whatsoever!


Thanks Doc! (and if you are taking this to heart, you should be! You built up some serious expectations around here)

Post a litany of before and afters that match your claims and I will be the first to hit that BUY button.

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:41 pm

As I stated at Regrowth..I'm disappointed to see that "buy" button before any other updates are given...and this is before the 20th.

I'm waiting to see what else shows up there. As for William..he did say the clinic took pictures but they won't release them to him..but there's no excuse for the clinic not sharing them with us- on A&G's website or whatever. And my last question/request of him was to see if the clinic would take pictures of him NOW.

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Post by nate » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:51 pm

hmmm... i'm a little apprehensive about this, i really want to try it, but going through paypal and all? I'm getting flashbacks of getting ripped off by Androvex through paypal. hmmm... I've got to think about this. Let's not even talk results, is everyone pretty sure we'll at least get a product if we order? this is what actually happened with that scam company.

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Post by Jacob » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:05 pm

Unless they run out...the product will be sent out. That is ONE thing I am confident on :lol: You'll see their skin products sold at many websites..besides their own. They DO sell and ship their products.

I'm off to bed..not even going to wait up for any updates. :-s

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Post by nate » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:58 pm

Looks like the website changed ever so slightly, now next to the buy button it says free shipping world wide, very small change but at least its something

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Post by perga » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:00 pm

Obviously I wouldn't recommend ordering it until they give more trialist info, but I can understand them not getting the website updated by today.

Web/Computer work always takes twice as long as you think it will... just the way it works.

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Post by SW2 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:30 pm

Well boys, i'm eager and still as optimistic as ever about the release and i just made ... what i'm thinking is one of the first orders?! I'll be around on/off after i receive the product and definitely around the next few weeks/months after to provide results! Luck to everyone who is as hopeful as i am, i'm sure Dr.AQ has done his best to create a great product!

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Post by Dr.AQ » Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:46 pm

Greetings friends,
I know I know, many are disappointed and maybe little angry with me and you have all the right to be. The buy button is there because we have other customers around the world who are waking up and expecting to purchase it before the weekend (many are traveling and worried that they will miss the window). As much as I like the people here, A&G have other responsibilities we have to keep. I did promise to upload some results, not just pictures but data regarding our study as well as the ingredients and instructions of use. This was scheduled to go up last night. I entrusted our web master with the task as I was occupied preparing for the finals at the university. This morning I came to realize that nothing was uploaded and our web master is nowhere to be found (not answering calls). Long story short, A&G hired the wrong guy for the job and we are paying for it in this critical time. We are on damage control mood now and your frustration is understood. This is not a testimonial of A&G performance and professionalism. Many here will testify to our customer service and the speed we ship orders.
I would also like to add something and i hope you guys understand. A&G Hair Complex is sold as a cosmetic and not as a drug. Many here are comparing us to drug companies who are in the process of getting FDA approval or got FDA approval. If A&G Hair Complex is a drug then, yes, you should expect detailed studies and many before/after pictures. I truly believe our product is much better than anything out there and I know only time can tell, but as the president of A&G, I have to make sure that what goes on our website is in compliance with a cosmetic product.

Finally, A&G Skin Solutions Inc. Is not a scam. Our products have been in the market for almost two years. People here and on the other forums have purchased products from us and they received them within 2 days. We use PayPal because it's the most secure transaction site (ebay, amazon and other online stores use it) and offer protection against any fraud or a scam. If you disagree with our science or just don't like the our hair product, that's your opinion and we respect it, just don't accuse other of scam or fraud. I am here not to promote A&G, I am here because I was invited my Jacob (hi Jacob), and I really wanted to learn from you guys and perhaps answer some of your questions. You must agree that I did my best to respond to all of the questions and I kept my word regarding the launch date and uploading the pictures even though the site was not completed. What happened today is beyond our control and believe me A&G is impacted as a result.
If we don't fix the problem tomorrow, I will email Jacob the info. and I am sure he will share it with you guys.
Again sorry about all this and I hope we can be friends again... :D

Good night

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Post by Irishpete » Thu Mar 19, 2009 10:28 pm

Just made the purchase :)

Thanks for the update Dr AQ. As a previous poster has stated it only costs the price of a weekend out partying so what the hell!!! Becuse it is a one-off treatment and the reviews of the other AG products I doubt it is a scam.

Good luck to everyone \:D/

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Post by Bombarie » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:37 pm

I dont have a credit card, is there any other way to buy this?

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Post by Skydiver1970 » Thu Mar 19, 2009 11:53 pm

@ Bombarie... I don't have a Visa either (yet), but you can wire cash to a paypal account (that's what I did...but it takes a couple of days).
Just placed my order :) All, greetings from Belgium.

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Post by hulihoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:15 am

Just ordered. Am going to give it a try. What have I got to lose except the 200 quid or more hair? As I stated earlier I've dropped $200 on some pretty stupid things in the past. This won't be the worst if it doesn't work for me. It was a risk I was willing to take because the benefit is potentially great. If it works, even just to stop hairloss it will be the best money ever spent. Time will tell. I will keep everyone posted on my results.

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Post by Whoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:36 am

Darn... I woke up this morning and really the first thing I did was getting my laptop and have a look at the website. Nothing changed, except the blue buy button. Such a shame that was :(

But anyways, glad to see the reaction of Dr. AQ now at this time :). I find it pretty annoying and weird too that the webmaster could add the purchasebutton, but not the rest of it. Hang him for it, lol.

I'll still be waiting for the rest of the photos and information about ingredients (Ha! and money O:) ) before I'll make the purchase. Maybe others have already shown results by then, would be wonderful :D

Good luck to anyone who bought it already, keep the updates coming please! :)

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Post by Whoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:39 am

Bombarie wrote:I dont have a credit card, is there any other way to buy this?
You could do it by wire transfer (so bank -> PayPal), that would take a bit more time though. I'd recommend you to take a credit card. Quite easy to get it and will speed so many things up. I was pretty reluctant before too, afraid of using it too much, but it's damn handy! :)

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Post by Bombarie » Fri Mar 20, 2009 5:17 am

Jacob, did you buy the haircomplex?

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Post by nate » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:02 am

As soon as you purchased, did you all receive a confirmation email from A&G or from paypal? I don't feel very good unless I get that confirmation

Maybe someone can answer this: Why is paypal the best way to go? Unless you purchase off of ebay, they will not guarantee return of all your funds if you don't receive a product. For me, they've been supposedly trying to recoup funds from Androvex for months. At least with credit card I could dispute the transaction if there is a problem and probably get all funds back. Maybe it's more secure for the seller, as they have more guarantee of not getting ripped off by a fake account.

as for me, I really want to buy, i just want to see some ingredients and some more pics

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Post by Whoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 6:31 am

I can give a little quote from Regrowth:

A&G Hair Complex Ingredients. I e-mailed them last night and asked and this is what they sent me.

Ingredients List: Human fibroblast conditioned media, water (aqua), propylene glycol, lonicera caprifolium (Honeysuckle) flower extract, lonicera japonica (honeyscuckle) flower extract, 1,2-Hexanediol, caprylyl glycol.

Thank you, Kimberly, Customer Care A&G Skin Solutions Inc.


Did a little bit of research on the ingredients.

1,2-Hexanediol, caprylyl glycol.

1,2 Hexanediol and Caprylyl Glycol, that is one of the most, if not the most, effective humectant* available today.

1,2 Hexanediol consists of several fine chemicals:

* Alpha-Lipoic Acids – efficient antioxidant, which has been shown to protect against cholesterol oxidation,
* Chrysin – bioflavonoid, possessing anti-inflammatory, antiviral, vasodilatory (relaxing the smooth muscle in blood vessels, which causes them to dilate) properties,
* Diosgenin – the compound used in the maintainence of healthy blood cholesterol levels,
* Glucosamine Hydrochloride – the compound clinically proven to retard the progression of degenerative changes in the joints,
* Indole-3-Carbinol – the promising nutrient that may be helpful in the prevention of various forms of cancer in humans.
(bron: http://www.skinmdnatural.com/ingredients.html)

lonicera japonica (honeyscuckle) flower extract

The function:
1.Affection by exopathogenic wind -heat or epidemic febrile diseases at the early stage, manifested as fever and slight aversion to wind and cold. It is often used with forsythia fruit and peppermint, as in Powder of Lonicera and Forsythia (Yin Qiao San).
2. Invasion of the qi system by pathogenic heat marked by high fever, dire thirst and full pulse. It is often used with gypsum and anemarrhena rhizome.
3. Sores, car- buncles, furuncles and swelling. It is a very important herb for external diseases, usually used in combination with dandelion , viola herb, as in Antiphlogistic
Decoc- tion of Five Herbs. (Wuwei Xiaodu Yin).
4. Honeysuckle is edible and medicinal. High in Calcium, Magnesium, and Potassium, the leaves can be parboiled and eaten as a vegetable. The edible buds and flowers, made into a syrup or puddings.
5. The entire plant has been used as an alternative medicine for thousands of years in Asia. The active constituents include calcium, elaidic-acid, hcn, inositol, linoleic-acid, lonicerin, luteolin, magnesium, myristic-acid, potassium, tannin, zink.
6. Honeysuckle is particularly good for upper respiratory tract infections. The stems and flowers are used together in infusion or decoction.
7. The stems are used internally in the treatment of acute rheumatoid arthritis, mumps and hepatitis.
8. Honeysuckle is alterative, antibacterial, antiinflammatory, antispasmodic, diuretic, febrifuge, and is also used to reduce blood pressure.
9. Polyphenolic compounds isolated from Lonicera japonica inhibit human platelet activation and provide protection from cellular injury, and thus help maintain human vascular homeostasis.
10. Experimentally, the flower extracts have been shown to lower blood cholesterol levels and it are antibacterial, antiviral and tuberculostatic.
(source: http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/20997 ... tract.html)

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Post by Melon Collie » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:20 am

Thanks for the post Whoop!

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Post by nate » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:37 am

Is there any chance that any of that actually does anything for hairloss?

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Post by nate » Fri Mar 20, 2009 7:56 am

Now granted i don't know jack about flower extract, but i think after all the hype it just kind of SOUNDS a bit underwhelming

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Post by Jacob » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:21 am

Not pg :(

bug is going to be bugged about "Human fibroblast conditioned media" I too thought more detailed ingredients would be posted. Maybe they will be....

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Post by Jacob » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:41 am

Bombarie wrote:Jacob, did you buy the haircomplex?
Nope...not yet.

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Post by Whoop » Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:50 am

nate wrote:Is there any chance that any of that actually does anything for hairloss?
The docter said in one of his previous posts that they found a 'cure' by thinking 'out of the box'. If I understood it the right way, they are not combatting DHT. I do not know what the real action is that the complex takes, but that's because a detailed description isn't given yet :( .

What I wanna say is that we cannot really know whether these products (or a combination of it - synergies) work out in combatting hairloss. The doc says they do. Noone has tried these out yet, because it's a new theory. So, I'd answer your question with 'there is always a chance!'.

Personally I don't get how an ingredient for skinproducts (talking about HFCM here) can be the 'mainingredient' (at least, I think it is) of a hairproduct. Sure, it has growth factors etc in it, so theoratically it can do good for the hairfollicles. But I can also think of people using the skinproducts on their forehead. Why didn't they notice any change in hair? Could be cause of the totally different vehicles and maybe it's because of the synergetic effects.. But blagh, I don't get it.

I'd really give a damn what ingredients are in it, as long as it works and I don't the side effects I had from propecia... But that's easy talking ofcourse. I still hope for the best, but even I am losing faith now :( I need new and good pictures to cheer up!

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