but what satisfies here is how the herbs are used in this product to naturally supress DHT and supressing DHT with medications could bring severe side-effects.. and that is why this product attracts me.. you can also use green-tea to naturally supress DHT.. there are other vareity of products like ...

:D :lol: I'm sorry to be captain Obvious, but there is NOTHING natural about minoxidil. It is a highly engineered drug, that - unlike the other herbal crap in there - has been proven to be an effective hair growth agent. It won't stop the progression of MPB but it will make the hair you have grow fa...

Also p___, are you calling this a scam just based on that animation? Not just. But the fact that they don't mind being deceptive by posting a fake sort-of-before-and-after-animation which is going to be perceived as real by a bunch of people should tell you something. If they were honest, why would...

Jacob wrote:http://www.dermproducts.com/news/patien ... v-solution

Link dead?

http://www.bioxsine.com/eng/tr-TR/#SacveYapisi/r But this seems photoshopped!? I am not sure... Scam! One of the most obviously faked picture sequences I've seen. Actually, I'm not even sure it's supposed to give the impression of being real. I mean, are we actually supposed to believe the guy was ...

p____..for how long a period did you use that particular product? I bought one kit which contained about 10 vials IIRC. I can't recall exactly how often I applied it, but I think it was about once or twice weekly. I followed the instructions I got. They said to use the full vial every time because ...

Dermarolling with a "normal" roller (less than say 1.5 mm) doesn't hurt your follicles. At least there is no such evidence that I know of. The needles don't reach deep enoug to actually reach the "roots". However, especially if the needles are dirty your could theoretically lose hair because of irri...

A year or two ago I tried Dermaheal HL (Hair Loss) along with their special gold tipped ( :roll: ) dermaroller mesotherapy. I didn't get any noticable improvement from it. Maybe you have to do it longer, maybe I'm a poor responder, maybe there was an improvement but I just didn't realize it, or mayb...

Yup. Scam.

http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... f=9&t=1861

Is it not possible to have some agency which can "REALLY" check claims like these? I mean till how long should we be fooled by stuff like this? Any company claiming to have a nice product should first be passed by such an agency. Only then it can make a public advertisement of its product. Hey, I k...

I did?

Anyway, don't take my post too seriously, it was not really meant to be directed at you. I'm just so tired of all the fraudsters.

Jacob wrote:"Some of the ingreds look interesting..and the tech sounds good..

NOOOOO! The tech sounds good??? Come on! We have to be smarter than this! Apart from the obvious contradiction that you pointed out regarding the use of "drugs" the entire text REEKS of %&$!!

The words "natural", "herb", "pure" etc are thrown around like they carry some sort of weight, intended to invoke a false sense of some mystical "value". In reality those words mean absolutely nothing, they prove nothing and are telltale signs of a scam. Should we really believe in fairytales and magic 2010? Whether a drug works has nothing to do with if it's natural or not. AIDS is natural, cancer is natural. Pace-makers are unnatural. Minoxidil is unnatural. Finasteride is unnatural. Fruit is natural. Snake venom is natural. It is obvious that there are both good, bad and neutral things that are "natural". In other words, the words "natural", "herb" etc have NO intrinsic value (neither good nor bad) and its use in a commercial text would indicate that someone is trying to bolster up their product with a value that doesn't exist.

The only ting in that concoction that is going to be (slightly) effective is minoxidil, which is a highly engineered drug having nothing to do with herbs.

If anything, I find it highly unlikely that we'd find out that something readily available to use would provide a sudden cure. After all, people have been trying just about everything they find around them to cure their hair loss for ages. You can bet that everything you can imagine with the things that are available to us in nature has been tried by someone at some point during human history. At this very moment, someone is smearing semen on his chrome dome, just to see if it cures his hair loss. Someone else is smearing faeces. Someone is eating grass. Someone is eating otters. Someone is eating bark. Someone is bathing in peyote. Wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that anything that made a drastic difference would have been known by now? It's just not that simple to crack this nut.

I'm sorry to go off on a rant and I know Jacob is really into natural remedies but there as just been so many scams lateley I'm getting p---ed off that we (collectively) are so desperate and gullible. Herbs? Homeopathy? Healing crystals? What's the next thing we should pay for? Quiji boards? Prayer? Bloodletting? Seanses? Tarot? Ghost creams?

WE NEED TO WISE UP!

/rant

It's homeopathic and thus a scam!

We need to be smarter than this or else we will be suckered forever. Don't line the pockets of scammers like this!

*sigh*

i got no results from my two rounds of the original solution. I'm currently about to start my last vial of the second batch. I know my hair very well, and i can say without question that there has been no regrowth to from this batch as well. I did have quite a bit of hair loss during this trial as ...

Jacob wrote:..and the men in the "trial" all had androgenic alopecia.

...except those with telogen effulivium apparently

Thanks for getting the answer though, Jacob!

Jajo, I'm sorry to hear about your brother-in-law and I hope he has a speedy recovery. Also, thanks for getting back to us with updates! I was one of the best responders to the first HC (PG-free version). I'm convinced the first round of A&G did improve my scalp and regrew hair better and faster tha...

Clinical tests found that over a 3 months period in 30 patients (males & female) ages 22-55 with alopecia and telogen effluvium. I would like to know if there have been any studies on just androgenic alopecia. First of all they just say "alopecia" which would include alopecia areata. Alopcia areata...

So, could you please explain why you posted the exact same message on various boards INCLUDING the extra "sorry about the spelling error" a few minutes later? Why would you post with the exact same spelling error and correction a few minutes later if it wasn't part of some scheme to make you seem mo...

Dr AQ, While I think the trialists are well chosen, respected members of these forums, I must say I'm a bit disappointed. This is what you wrote to me earlier when I applied: I was hoping you will join the trial. I think you are a good candidate. I will include you in the study . I think you should ...

So, which 5 members where finally selected to participate in the trial?

I have tried it for a little while, but gave it up due to its smell. It can be a little smelly, depending on how sensitive you are to it. It didn't do anything for me, but then again I didn't give it enough time to really say anything about it from a personal perspective. You don't have to worry abo...

Dr AQ, please check your PMs! Cheers!

I applied right away and got a reply indicating that I could be eligible. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Yup, I tried it for a few months but it didn't do anything for me as far as I could tell. Maybe it helped me maintain but it's impossible to tell. I know El Duterino over at some other site uses it and claims some degree of success, but he's on many things at the same time... Back then, I looked thr...

Thanks! Just found it too!

Also, I see that Americans can't order on the website. What is the price for Americans going through a US distributor if the retail price is $995 CAN ? Joanne, where dìd you see that price? And where are distributors mentioned? In the text they say " Follicles does not sell Company Product directly...

Some questions: 1. I see that you offer a 10 day money-back guarantee. Isn't that way to short since even the first possible signs of improvement would normally take several weeks to detect according to the website? And packages could easily be delayed by the postal service longer than that. Let's a...

Hi John! From the site: Minoxidil (Rogaine) ... Effectiveness - Follicles has never had anyone have positive results with this. Finasteride (Propecia) ... Effectiveness - Follicles has never had anyone have positive results with this. Eh...say what? That is not a very credible statement, especially ...

[Edited to remove off-topic stuff] But let me get this straight, a marketer comes here, is perfectly open and honest about it, and even has the courtesy to ask if he's allowed to post a link. I've never heard of that type of behaviour before... :-k There has to be something wrong in that picture! It...

Oh, hehehe, I'm sorry to disappoint you, it's not as fancy as you might have sounded...I'm using the ready-made version: Revitalash Hair. :) So far, there has actually been thinning in the spot where I'm trying it, but oddly enough, that entire side (on the whole) is doing better than the other. :-k...

lol! What I mean is that these are not the type of cells that "everyone else" uses. In that very limited context, DP cells are regular. However, I put "regular" in quotes because culturing DP cells is not a very regular activity in general... so calling them regular without quotes, thus implying tha...

Sounds like what Intercytex is doing, but Intercytex is supposed to start phase III soon. Yes they are similar in many ways, but I think the main difference is that Trichoscience is using DSC cells as opposed to "regular" DP cells. If one choses to believe in Trichosciene's claims, that is... In my...

Last fairly interesting news I heard was about Trichoscience. Difficult to know what to make of it though.

However topical antiandrogen DO work, with pretty good results, two of them being lavender and tea tree oil, the latter being most potent. But only systematically, AFAIK, so you might as well eat an antiandrogen or put it on your legs or wherever. If I recall correctly, boys can grow tits from usin...

Strictly speaking, neither finasteride nor dutasteride are antiandrogens. As you know, they are 5a-reductase inhibitors. For the sake of clarity, I think it's best to refer to them as just that: 5a-reductase inhibitors. The reason is that there are "real" antiandrogens (stuff that usually interferes...

According to Bryan over at HLT (who is usually right): It binds the active site, but it's not a competitive inhibitor. Finasteride and dutasteride are both considered to be irreversible inhibitors of the 5a-reductase type 2 enzyme. However, dutasteride is indeed a competitive inhibitor of the type 1...

No, Hairy Dawg, as mentioned in my previous post, finasteride is not a receptor blocker. It is an 5a-reductase inhibitor which is something else. And we know exactly what DHT is. It is an androgen. Its chemical formula and structure is well known. It is true that we do not know every place where it ...

I've heard the doctors don't really know how fin really works. They know it blocks the receptor site but can't explain exactly how. Doctors, along with a whole bunch of researchers, hair loss sufferers and people with access to wikipedia :lol:, know pretty much exactly how finasteride works. It doe...

Again, good post, LaserKid! Thanks for the clarification!

oh an p.... sorry i was so inconsiderate to post 2 times. I deliberatly done that to waste as much of peoples time as possible. hahaha seriously tho, have you got anything to add to the actuall discussion here? good or bad, just relate. Well, it just seemed odd to me, that's all. Especially since y...

Uh..you made another thread about this just two days ago, see http://www.hairlossfight.com/forums/vie ... f=1&t=1495

Just out of curiosity, why do you need another thread about it?

If it's like any other gene transcription pathway in the body, then it usually transcribes the gene, then dissociates to either rebind and transcribe again, or is neutralized by intracellular proteins. The problem is the number of genes that are activated by DHT. There is no way you would be able t...

The clay may have be having a beneficial effect absorbing excess sebum. In addition to the the fact that there is no real proof that the clay in question removes sebum in the first place, studies show that substances which do reduce sebum, like GLA, did nothing for hair loss, unfortunately. I am cu...

I'm confused on why people say that clay pulls DHT out of the root. Are there any studies on this? There are no such studies. The belief seems to stem from the unverified claims of Scalpure. I'm surprised people aren't being more clever or educated about this. It is the ABC of hair loss. And I thou...

Wasn't this brought up in some other threads around just recently? Anyway, here are some vital question this theory fails to answer: Why does transplanted hair survive in MPB areas for decades? Why does hair from MPB areas die even when transplanted to non MPB areas? There are more questions, but si...

Thanls for the heads-up!

How does dht work in someone without mpb. Surely the dht carries some sort of benefits the hair shaft??? For someone whose follicles are not susceptible to androgenoc alopecia, DHT will actually make hairs coarser. People with hairloss tend to have an excess of DHT. Although there may be some sligh...

It is difficult to say with any certainty, but I did experience some shedding while testing the AGHC. As far as I can tell, it has not fully grown back. Whether it is because of the AGHC or purely conincidental is hard to tell.

He's an old scammer.

It would actually be funny if he came here. Given the amount of complete BS and bizarrly incorrect information on his website, I - and many other posters here - would have a field day.